Has anyone ever read any works of the Early Church Fathers or the Doctors of the Church. Have you heard of St. Augustine of Hippo or St. Thomas Aquinas?
2006-10-27 18:50:26 · 20 answers · asked by Kyrie Eleison 1 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I love it when people try to over simplify a question by defigning the words in the question. I appreciate your help but I know the meaning of faith. My point was why is it so hard to believe that intelligent, educated people can arrive at the conclusion of faith through the extended use of reason.
I may be wrong but I thought that when attempting to prove something through logic a general statement of truth is where one begins. Then one attempts to reason the conclusion.
2006-10-27 19:14:17 · update #1
I love your nickname. I know what it means by the way...
It is true. They base their beliefs on irrational and illogical assumptions about people of faith and then attempt to tell us how irrational and illogical we, who have faith, are.
It would benefit them to not be so brainwashed that they cannot see the forest for the trees if you know what I mean.
2006-10-27 18:52:15 · answer #1 · answered by Adyghe Ha'Yapheh-Phiyah 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Yes, I've heard of those people. They were well-educated, highly dedicated scholars--for their time. Their biggest flaw was that they refused to seriously consider any possibilities other than god. If you start out convinced that one position is absolutely right, your "proofs" (proofs of logic, not evidence) are going to be biased. I'm sure you have heard of Aristotle and Plato; they were also famous scholars--yet many of their theories were wrong, and their methods of reasoning were flawed.
The reason I tend to think that faith is devoid of reason is that it tends to ignore any other possibilities, no matter what evidence is produced. Arguments that don't support that belief are discarded or disregarded as irrelevant or untrue. This is the case with modern christianity. There is so much evidence to support a vastly different version of creation and development, yet christians refuse to even consider that evidence because it contradicts what they already "know" to be "true".
Science doesn't claim to have all the answers, a fact that scientists freely admit. Scientists constantly study and alter their own theories as they discover new evidence that causes them to rethink. Christians refuse to do this. Their beliefs are stagnant and unchanging, which doesn't make sense because a good look around will tell you that the world is in constant flux.
It is unreasonable to believe that nothing ever changes and that what was learned in the past will always suffice.
2006-10-27 19:01:58 · answer #2 · answered by Jensenfan 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Yes, I've read the writings of both those men.
Now, to say faith is devoid of reason...lets just look up the basic word definition of "faith"
faith. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
...Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. 2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence
I think that might be why. It's DEFINED as not relying on logical proof.
2006-10-27 18:54:19 · answer #3 · answered by Black Parade Billie 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
No i don't know them. But to answer your main question, faith is devoid of reason it nothing else but by the definition and the essence of the word. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.. Why would we need faith or the word if we can see it? Faith is believing without seeing but yet believing that it will come to pass. If not tomorrow, eventually.
2006-10-27 19:07:37 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
What Adyghe1985 said. Modern day secular progressives don't like to read this type of history because all their arguments against the Judeo-Christian ethic go out the window.
I Cr 13;8a
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2006-10-27 19:23:25 · answer #5 · answered by ? 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
People commonly equate reason to justification of a hypothesis with the use of empirical evidence, the scientific way. However, you can reason without evidence or all the available data. To this, there is reason used in religion, but it is used without evidence leading to false or fictional conclusions. "Summa" and other early Catholic dogma are excellent examples of false conclusions, thanks for reminding me of Aquinas.
2006-10-27 19:45:25 · answer #6 · answered by One & only bob 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Einstein said imagination. Countless people have said reason. Most Christians say faith, but Jesus said LOVE. Yours in Christ, Nick
2016-05-22 02:29:57 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Seems illogical to me also, since they live their lives putting faith in their cars, money, weather, ect. No one lives with out putting faith in something. Would you send out a questionaire to the electric company before turning on the lights or stick your finger in the socket before believing it was there? Would you jump a jet and fly to the clouds before believing in rain? There are some things one just knows for sure. Right!
2006-10-27 19:00:09 · answer #8 · answered by martha d 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
What people think doesn’t concern me one way or the other. I know who I serve and I understand that serving the Lord means making some people uncomfortable or angry. But I can’t be concerned about that. I can only try to reach out in love and friendship, and pray.
2006-10-27 19:00:46 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
* "Talking" Snake
* Water being "magically" turned into wine.
*A wooden boat housing every one of millions of species on earth.
*A ghost inseminating a woman.
*Jesus returning by crashing through the clouds on a flying horse.
Reason??? Please.
btw-Do you think followers of the hindu faith who believe in multiple gods are devoid of reason? Don't be a hypocrite.
2006-10-27 19:06:17 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋