Go to any insane asylum or under most bridges and you will hear people say they are God or they have spoken to God. We know that the mind is a delicate electrical organism and sometimes it play tricks on you. How can you not assume some of the people whos writings during the time of Jesus were just crazy. There was no such thing as understading the brain at that time, I mean they were drilling holes in peoples head for headaches untill the 1800s.
2006-10-27
14:32:32
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but the people that edited it were getting rich, lying, cheating and stealing, and now molesting so these so called great minds are not good ones to trust to find truth. everyone says God and Religion are seperate and then say the Bible is the answer but thats my point, you cant say the church decided what was good and bad. Its like asking the home team if it was a fair or foul ball, what do you think they are going to say.
2006-10-27
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update #1
1st no where in this did I state what my beliefs are, its a question. 2nd you cant say an articulate person cant have mental problems, see multiple mass murderers. 3rd there is a thing called transferance you tell somebody something and they want to believe it so they see something that confirms what they want to believe.
2006-10-27
14:49:27 ·
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to obtain truth you have to stretch in questioning things how would you ever discover the undiscovered if you dont search. How many people would have told Einstein when he first stated that he was crazy for trying to prove the theory of relativity. How many people still are for that mater.
2006-10-27
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Actually drilling a hole in someone's head is still considered a viable technique to relieve pressure, but it is considered too gruesome for people to accept. Right... on to the question at hand:
There is no way to truly understand the spirituality between man and God until you experience it yourself.
This is an extremely long answer, so if you don't want to hear a genuine answer that might (or might not) make you think differently, then just move on.
The difference, I think, between the man under the bridge claiming that he spoke with God and a "sane" person claiming that God spoke to them, is that the "sane" person usually is not claiming to have heard God's literal voice. Whether or not you believe that the miracles recorded by Jesus' associates are true and genuine is up to you. There is no way that anyone can rationally explain how these things happened or prove that they really did. I won't even try. I'm not that easily drawn in to an ambush.
But I will tell you a story which recently happened to me, and you can decide whether it's possible that I had a "calling" so to speak. I assure you, I have my beliefs, but I am by no means a religious person. I believe in God, I believe in miracles, and I believe in divine intervention.
I've always had an inclination that the truely best way to show people that God is real is to help people. Anyone. However they need it. Pump the gas for the lady at Quicktrip who seems to be having trouble. Buy the guy standing by the drive through a sandwich or two and sacrifice a meal when I only have enough for one meal. Go out on a long journey through the world, learning about cultures whild helping everyone along the way, and maybe even talking to them about God when they ask. Whatever.
But I've always been sort of distant from God, in my perception of things. Recently, I began feeling restless, and decided I wanted to get away. FAR away. I thought at first about living on the beach in the carribean and learning from some old local how to build steel drums for a while. I wanted to learn to appreciate the ammenities that had spoiled me so far in life. In other words, I wanted to live free of them.
My girlfriend at the time had signed up for a trip with the band at her university to go to China and put on shows for the collegiate executives in Shanghai and Beijing. I suddenly took an interest in Chinese culture, food and people.
Funny thing, I was suddenly befriended by this woman at work who was Chinese. I began asking her questions, and she taught me a few words of Chinese. She was surprised, as was I, at the ease with which I was able to catch on. She told me that I was a very nice person and I would be extremely welcomed in her home town and would love for me to take a trip there on my own one day. That hit me like a rock.
The more I thought about it, the more I wanted to go, and the more I felt like it was something God was trying to send my way. I don't know why it occurred to me that way, being that I don't exactly sit and pray with God while I'm drunk at home or messing around with my girlfriens, if you know what I mean. I'm probably the furthest from being a "good Christian" as I could possibly be. Nevertheless, I started investigating, and I found that what I need to do is get a 2 year residency visa and learn Chinese. I also found that I need to have a purpose, and the only thing that I could figure out was to teach English in the more rural parts of China, which is the kind of place my Chinese friend, Zhi Hui is from.
I began having all these thoughts about what I was going to do when I got there, and it crossed my mind that I could help people fix there houses up, seeing as how I have alot of fix-it-all background. I thought about going and learning all about their culture and of course assimilating and learning about their discipline and the spirituality of Buddhism. I was headed in the direction of self-betterment.
To the point, I decided that God HAD to me pushing me to do this. It was a very strange feeling for me. So I decided to call the one and only person who I knew would really, genuinely understand. My friend Libby. When I met her for lunch and told her everything, she sat there with her mouth wide open. I asked her what the big deal was, and she responded that she had just finished a big project for her travel class that entailed detailing everything a person would need and need to know about moving to China for 2 years. I was enthrolled. I couldn't believe it either.
That was all the affirmation I needed. But then there was more. I have a dinking problem, and it is a distraction to excelling in life and a burden that pulls me down. I choose to drink, and I wanted to stop that. So, since I had had this recent "calling" I decided to sit down and ask God for help on something for the first time in 12 years. I asked him to help me stop drinking and smoking. Of course I soon forgot about it and kept doing both, without any intention of quitting. A few days ago, I noticed a change happening. My girlfriend and I were going out, and I have been feeling sick of drinking. It seems to fill me up faster than it used to, and I've been annoyed at the feeling of the buzz, rather than enjoying it. Consequently I've been drinking less and still feeling worse the next day, even the next hour. Head ache, exhaistion from staying out, everything.
2 weeks ago I suddenly realized that I was having trouble smoking more than half a cigarette and I was smoking less often. Unintentionally. I felt like the cigarettes taste bad, they give me a sore throat, and I toss them away much quicker. I feel that I'm some how very close to quitting both smoking and drinking, and I haven't even had to try. I don't believe it's a sin of consquense to drink or smoke. It's MY sin. A sin that drags ME down. I don't care if anyone else does it.
So anyway, I'm at the point in my story that takes us to the present. I'm trying to figure out where I'm going to get the $8000 or so to drop myself of in China. After that I'm gone.
The kicker? I've never, NEVER been the kind of person who likes change. I couldn't even stand it when my mom started cutting the sausage slices in half instead of leaving them round in the hundreds of years old recipe for Gumbo she always made. Much less can I stand to move anywhere. I HATE it. But for some reason this is ok for me. It will be absolutely completely different for me and I will have none of the same comforts I have in my current life here in the US. But I'm more comfortable with that than I am about moving back to the home town in which I was raised.
That's all the proof I need to tell me that God is speaking to me. Interpret it how you want, but this is my story. I see it one way, and you might see it another. But stop for a moment and think about the possibility that you might not WANT to see it a certain way. I know I didn't want to see it the way I see it now. Why would I want to be taken out of my environment and put in a place where I don't know anyone or anything, only to have to work extra hard to stay alive and be keen on the culture so I don't get myself arrested?
Call me crazy, if you even get to this point in what I've written, but I don't care. It only matters to me what goes on in my life, in my head. What goes on with you and yours is your business. I don't expect you to believe any of it. I'm not going to be cliche and offer you and typical bible verses. I'm not even going to try to get you to believe me. This is simply a long, drawn out answer to your inquisition.
2006-10-27 15:14:10
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answered by Rockstar 6
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Well, first of all the perjorative against the insane is unworthy of an articulate question. Second, the brain runs by electricity and chemicals, just to clarify a key point. Third, I qualify as one of your insane persons, have been duly classified for the last 10 years as such. And yes, I have heard God speak to me, far longer than for 10 years however. I am a preacherman and we tend to rely on such in order to speak the truth.
Insanity in Biblical times was honored and held in respect. Cf. David dribbling at the gate or the oraculor girl following Paul in Acts. When you read the NT, you find Jesus speaking and perhaps 8 other passages that claim to be "God speaking." The rest, like much of the OT are the soul searching interpretations of the crystal clear, scalpel sharp Word of God in the soul
Back to the point - Coherent sentence structure, good - beyond average (Acts) grammar, meaningful messages. Were those the characteristics of crazy, then let most of TV and the press become nuts.
2006-10-27 21:40:24
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answered by Joe Cool 6
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Truth has a certain undeniable "flavor" associated with it.
Truth, no matter what the source, is also verifiable and traceable.
Truth is consistent and virtually impossible to disprove.
Truth furnished by God is still truth, no matter how, or by whom, it is delivered.
The Catholic Church is the original "receiver" of all God's revealed truth, and no matter what you may believe about the men or motives of the church, it can be easily proved that God's truth has been accurately preserved and transmitted, down through the centuries.
All you need to do is leave any preconceived notions behind, spend the time, and do the research.
You may need a couple of aspirin now and then, too.
2006-10-27 22:33:26
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answered by Anonymous
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these cases are restricted to one brain. How do you suppose there were 500+ witnesses that saw Jesus after he rose from the dead? Did you ever do research to see if the masses can have the same psychotic episode at the same time. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. Many things written in the bible are witnessed by many people at once.
2006-10-27 21:42:51
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answered by Anonymous
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you can take your chances in doubting the Word of God. As for me if I'm wrong I'll be wrong. You're entitled to your beliefs. If you believe all the Old and New Testament writers were crazy and a whole nation of people were insane for believing God spoke to them and they spoke to God then that's what you believe. From Genesis to Revelation there are examples of people talking with God. I pray, am I crazy for believing that God is listening to me when I talk to Him?
2006-10-27 21:42:42
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answered by Deborah 3
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You can assume all that you want to, but the fact is, you will never change another persons beliefs, and that is as it should be. What we believe in are the things that get us through the night when things get tough, and we don't know which way to turn. You have your way, the Christians have their way, and neither is any more correct the the other.
2006-10-27 21:42:45
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answered by Anonymous
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Most people who spoke to God or were visited by an angel had corroborating evidence. Either someone was there to witness the event (for example Saul on the road to Damascus), someone else had a visitation that told of some provable fact (Mary was told that her barren cousin Elisabeth was pregnant...and she was), or someone else had a vision telling them to believe the original vision (Joseph had a visit from an angel telling him to believe Mary).
2006-10-27 21:41:05
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answered by moviesmiss1 3
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The tests of a prophecy are
1 Does it agree with Scripture
2 Does it bear good fruit(gave a good effect on people-change lives for the better)
2006-10-27 21:36:23
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answered by Makemeaspark 7
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You are making the argument that the 20+ writers of the Bible were all delusional??? And that they all suffered from exactly the same delusion??? AND that they were delusional enough to die for their belief???(Forgive me if I'm wrong but I don't think that the people in asylums are willing to die for their claims)
I think you're skating on thin ice personally but maybe it makes more sense to you that they did.
2006-10-27 21:44:13
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answered by berg 2
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Motombo notice so many people want destroy religion because they unhappy and have superiority complex.
Peace and blessings from the Church of Fish and Bread
2006-10-27 21:35:15
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answered by Anonymous
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Don't you think that thousands of years of filtering through intelligent minds caught the junk. Remember the ecumenical council threw out books from the bible writings hundreds of years ago.
2006-10-27 21:38:31
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answered by Anonymous
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