Is Trinity a doctrine or just a dogma?

Question

Dogma is the infallibly defined teaching of the Church.

Doctrine is the ordinary and perennial teaching of the Church.

Catechism of the Catholic Church
2nd edition, Section 2, Chapter 1, Article I

pg.261 The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of the Christian faith and of Christian life.

pg.266 "Now this is the Catholic faith: We worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, without either confusing the persons or dividing the substance; for the person of the Father is one, the Son's is another, the Holy Spirit's another; but the Godhead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty coeternal" (Athanasian Creed: DS 75; ND 16).

"Mystery of the Trinity" is the central doctrine of the Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant faith. It means, It's has nothing to do with Christian Faith.

The Lord has already gave us this warning and it is written, "Be not carried about with various and strange doctrines" Hebrews 13

Dogma is the doctrines of Men.

Doctrine is that ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."II Timothy 3:16

Answer 1

Trinity is both. That said Trinity (or 3-in-one Deities) is a pagan belief transferred to Christendom’s Doctrine. Scriptures have been tampered with, (KJ 1Jo 5:7), and God’s personal name has been removed from the bible text to help sell this false belief. It is not taught in the Bible anywhere. Jesus Christ did not teach it to his followers. It is a difficult, if not impossible concept for anyone to rectify and harmonize with true, important Bible concepts such as the Ransom and the messiah-ship.

Jesus Clearly and repeatedly showed himself to be separate and subordinate to his heavenly father who is named in the Bible several thousands of times, (Jehovah). His apostles consistently manifested a belief in a supreme being who was not the same individual as Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is the name of the individual who was transferred by supernatural power to the womb of a virgin to become a perfect HUMAN. He was the very first thing created by the creator. Before becoming human, his very being was exactly the same as his creator’s. His very personality, his goals, his desires, his love, is exactly the same as his father. Everything else created was created by the father but through and with the son. He became God’s spokesman or mouthpiece and that is why he carries the name and title “Word”. He commands all of the armies of angels. He is the authentic “seed” who will champion all of the Creator’s purposes and return the universe to the situation originally purposed by Jehovah God the creator, as the King of God’s Kingdom, (A government with a heavenly seat). He is the Messiah, and the Ransomer who redeemed the lives of all humanity by paying the ransom price lost by the original human pair. He gave his perfect human life to pay that price. He did not pay that ransom price with a Creator’s life or a God’s life. His father, (a separate all powerful individual who was still alive) Resurrected him from death, (Hell) to a life once again as a spirit creature like he was before and sat him on a throne at his right hand to wait until his Kingdom rule was to begin.

Holy Spirit is not an individual personality; it is God’s active force or power.

Christendom will be held responsible for the perpetuation of the filthy trinity doctrine.

Answer 2

IS JESUS GOD ALMIGHTY?

Many religious people say that Jesus is God. Some claim that God is a Trinity. According to this teaching, “the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.” It is held that the three “are co-eternal and co-equal.” (The Catholic Encyclopedia) Are such views correct?

Jehovah God is the Creator. (Revelation 4:11) He is without beginning or end, and he is almighty. (Psalm 90:2) Jesus, on the other hand, had a beginning. (Colossians 1:15, 16) Referring to God as his Father, Jesus said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Jesus also explained that there were some things neither he nor the angels knew but that were known only by his Father.—Mark 13:32.

Moreover, Jesus prayed to his Father: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) To whom was Jesus praying if not to a superior Personage? Furthermore, it was God who resurrected Jesus from the dead, not Jesus himself. (Acts 2:32) Obviously, the Father and the Son were not equal before Jesus came to the earth or during his earthly life. What about after Jesus’ resurrection to heaven? First Corinthians 11:3 states: “The head of the Christ is God.” In fact, the Son will always be in subjection to God. (1 Corinthians 15:28) The Scriptures therefore show that Jesus is not God Almighty. Instead, he is God’s Son.

The so-called third person of the Trinity—the holy spirit—is not a person. Addressing God in prayer, the psalmist said: “If you send forth your spirit, they are created.” (Psalm 104:30) This spirit is not God himself; it is an active force that he sends forth or uses to accomplish whatever he wishes. By means of it, God created the physical heavens, the earth, and all living things. (Genesis 1:2; Psalm 33:6) God used his holy spirit to inspire the men who wrote the Bible. (2 Peter 1:20, 21) The Trinity, then, is not a Scriptural teaching. “Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,” says the Bible.—Deuteronomy 6:4.

Answer 3

yeah, see, dogma and doctrine really aren't too different: doctrine is also meant to be infallible unless time proves otherwise. no, i dont suppose time is going to get us to think diffrently about the trinity, nor will any random opinions by people who think they are theologians.

and btw, there isn't a religion in the history of mankind that hasn't had both.

one last thing: catholic, (eastern)orthodox and protestant are the only christian faiths. even you claim to be one of these free wheelin i dont need a religion christians, you're still a protestant.

Answer 4

The Trinity is a Dogma. If you haven't been baptized in the name of the Trinity (In the Name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit), then you are not a Christian and are not saved.

Answer 5

cathechisms are made by men from men, back in the early days of the church there were many things that didn't always seem to logically fit together so the priests (part of a small population of people who could read) who use ideas they had to glue everything together, with much dissent most of the time, in their own ranks. A simple rule of thumb , is what is of man passes away, what is from God and Jesus is eternal

Answer 6

I dont know what the big mystery about the Trinity is all about..

Three seperate beings.....one in purpose.

Not that difficult.

Answer 7

All dogmas are also doctrines, but not all doctrines are dogmas.

Trinitarian belief is core and therefore a dogma.

Answer 8

Doctrine is Dogma, Dogma is Doctrine. Neither can be questioned or examined but must be simply accepted.

Answer 9

Dogma, certainly.

Answer 10

Neither, it is a myth. IMHO