If you claim Osama represents Muslims - Then Hitler surely Represented Christians!?

Question

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

Osama can in no way be compared to that monster. But! your government will always align such wannabes to Hitler to brainwash you not so bright people.

Answer 1

A very fair and valid comparison.

Answer 2

They weren't swastikas on the mosastery, I'm sure if you look into it, you'll find they were bent the other way. It's a form of cross that was used for a long time.
Oh, and the guy who was Pope at the time hid many Jews in the Vatican, so obviously, he didn't agree with what Hitler was doing.
Hitler didn't follow the teachings of the Catholic Church, and therefore could not be considered an average Catholic. There is nothing in the Church teachings that says you have to have hatred. I believe, though I am not sure, that Muslims are allowed to have some kind of hatred for other religions. I DO NOT, however, think all Muslims are like Osama. Bad people can be found anywhere, as you have proved.

Even though you're kinda bashing Catholic/Christians, I do thank you for saying that Catholics ARE Christians, because they are.

Answer 3

Point a) good job. you have stated that Hitler was indeed born in Catholic Europe.

B) the swastika used to be a symbol of peace, until Hitler gave it its racist and violent meaning. It would of been like Hitler walking past a picture of an olive branch or a dove.

C) This is interesting, but what does it have to do with his years as a dictator?

D) Somewhere along the line Hitler's "highest ideal" obviously changed from abbot to dictator. You remind us once again that not everyone who is raised well lives well.

E) Where does this come from?!! I accept the excommunication part, although I would like to see a source for that. I am pretty sure that the Roman Catholic Church has condemned his actions., and I know that the majority of Christians do reject it.
What "Church" thought Hitler was "Just due to his treatment of the Jews? Hitler controlled the German church, so anything it said was what he told it to say. If it said that he was a good man, that just meant that Hitler wanted others to think that he was a good man.

The Jews did have Jesus crucified by the Romans, but it is also important to remember that Jesus and his disciples and Mary and Paul were all Jews. Jesus died for all our sins, he died for our sins, not because the Jews foiled God's plans by killing him. We all share equally in his death. I am not claiming that all Christians have always followed this, but I am claiming that this is scriptural.

As far as I know, Hitler never ascribed his actions to God's will or his religion in any personal, non p-political manner. Osama is overtly Muslim. He *claims* to be acting for Islam, and follows what he believes are its laws (I am not sure if its laws include killing innocent women and children), regardless of wether or not his actions represent Islam. Hitler made no attempt to use Christianity to justify his actions.

Answer 4

MartyBob, excellent response, Musulmana got that. Pastor Erwin Lutzer is a superb author and Pastor. We are blessed to have him here in Chicago. Personally I haven't read "Hitler's Cross" but I have heard of it. First of all as a Christian I have never claimed that Osama represents muslims. But if you claim that Hitler represents Christians I have to respond. Do you have any idea what Christianity is? It definietly doesn't sound like you do. It boggles my mind that someone would link one of the most evil men who ever lived with Christianity. A Christian is someone who believes and accepts Christ into his or her life and follows Him for the rest of his or her life. Jesus Christ lives in that person by the power of the Holy Spirit. Christ , the righteosness of God and Hitler, impious evil, the biggest paradox of all time. You do describe that Hitler went through religious mumbo jumbo in his early years. That however doesn't mean that the person knows Jesus and is a genuine Christian. And that fact does become painfully obvious doesn't it? What Hitler was is a self absorbed individual intent on making himself the god of the german people. If you think that's Christianity you are sadly mistaken. So nope, not by any means was he a Christian. Not even close. By the way you do realize that the swastika is a broken cross. Makes you think how antichristian he actually was. And after reading the other responses I'am sure you do. Let the truth set you free.

Answer 5

As far as I know, Hitler never ascribed his actions to God's will or his religion in any personal, non p-political manner. Osama is overtly Muslim. He *claims* to be acting for Islam, and follows what he believes are its laws (I am not sure if its laws include killing innocent women and children), regardless of wether or not his actions represent Islam. Hitler made no attempt to use Christianity to justify his actions.

Answer 6

Pls don't be quite so fooled by the media. Many Americans realize that Osama - and other middle eastern terrorists - do not represent a religious faith any more than Hitler did.

But you do have a good point... the Bush administration is more than happy to play to religious prejudices and stupid people. As is elsewhere, there are a lot of both here - unfortunately the far right just got way too much control. It'll change.

Answer 7

I don't claim Osama represents Muslims...he does, though. Hitler didn't commit his atrocities for the glory of God, was more pagan than Christian during that time, barely tolerated Christianity and then only if it stayed out of his way. Radical Muslims (and this is more a political movement than religious, that's one thing it has in common with Hitler) commit their atrocities for the glory of Allah. They wish to dominate the world, as did Hitler. They're quite outspoken about all of this. You can't prove they don't represent Muslims by taking cheap shots at Christianity; only other Muslims can do that by standing up and declaring they aren't represented by these lunatics. So far, we've only heard deafening silence.

Answer 8

Good point, however... Both Hitler and Osama merely used religion as a tool to manipulate people. Their real master was not holy at all, but purely material. Hitler was a fascist leader, and Osama is at best a pawn in a fascist polical game to dominate mankind. The fascist goal has always been to keep us (the brotherhood of man) separated by prejudices and mistrust. So our only friends are our material possesions and we are nothing but good worker/consumers. Don't fall into the pit, my brother. Love your neighbor, weather he is Osama, Hitler, or G.G. Allin. Care about his life, and hope he can control overcome the greed that seems to fuel modern culture.

Answer 9

Yes, If people think O. Bin Laden represents Muslims, then we will consider Hitler a representative of Christians, and we shall start calling them terrorists...How would that make them feel?

(such a represntation thing is WRONG, you cant judge an entire nation on the acts of one or a group of individuals...But if such considerations of O. Bin Laden is a representative of Muslims and the Muslim world, then we will consider Hitler as well)

Answer 10

NO!!!! Hitler became a nationalist sinner, Stalin became a communist sinner. A mass assassin is in each case a sinner. The Christian community isn't represented by people who do no longer stay like Christians, notwithstanding in the event that they're baptized. formally the Christian community is represented by the Pope. Inoficcially by each christian guy or lady, who lives in peace and does the main suitable for the peolpe.

Answer 11

Not every child that is raised in a church grows up being a true believer. Once a person reaches the age of accountability, they must choose for themselves to have the Lord in their lives. Yes, as parents we try to lead them but the ultimate decision will have to be the grown child. There have been many people that grew up in a church that strayed from it later in life.