Like Ignatius, Polycarp, Iranaeus, Justin, Theophilus, Athenagoras, Clement, Tertullian, Cyprian and up to the present Pope.
Do these men can produce the passages for their doctrines of Apostlic Successor?
These men cannot prove their authority by speaking in tongues, prophesying and working miracles as mention in 2 Cor. 12:12
"Only" the apostles and prophets were made in this manner and they also could speak in tongues, prophesy and work miracles but could not pass the power to others as mention in Acts 8:4-6, 14-19.
They are "not" the chosen ambassadors who were selected to deliver God's message or "the faith" to mankind as mention in Eph. 3:3-4; Jude 3.
I've found out that these men don'y read and study the bible. When the Apostles and Prophets approached their deaths they did not give successors to take their places.
Paul said concerning the gospel, "It has been preached to every creature under heaven..." Col. 1:23.
What do you think?
2006-10-26 13:34:08 · 9 answers · asked by House Speaker 1 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
They cannot be successors to the Apostles and Prophets because the only infallible succession to them are the inspired writings as mention in 2 Pet. 1:15; 3:1; 2 Tim. 3:14-17.
2006-10-26 13:37:51 · update #1
The Bible contains the answer, "For such are False Apostles and Deceitful Workers tranforming them into the Apostles of Christ." II Corinthians 11:13
2006-10-26 13:40:11 · update #2
I didn't include Barnabas on the list. Barnabas was discipled by several apostles and served with Paul.
But Ignatius? He stated, “Jesus is God, God incarnate.” The phrase is not found or anywhere contained in Holy Scriptures.
2006-10-26 13:42:11 · update #3
Midge, These False Apostles and Deceitful Workers began incorporating unbiblical beliefs almost immediately after the Apostles passed away.
2006-10-26 13:53:09 · update #4
oldguy63, Protestant? You will not find the terms or words Trinity, Trinitarian or God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost anywhere contained in Holy Scriptures and in the Original Hebrew and Greek terms like, manifestations, incarnation, offices, self-existent and monad again, are not contained in Holy Scriptures.
2006-10-26 13:58:41 · update #5
Gospel According to Saint Luke
Chapter 8
5 The sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
6 And other some fell upon a rock: and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it had no moisture. 7 And other some fell among thorns, and the thorns growing up with it, choked it. 8 And other some fell upon good ground; and being sprung up, yielded fruit a hundredfold. Saying these things, he cried out: He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. 9 And his disciples asked him what this parable might be. 10 To whom he said: To you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to the rest in parables, that seeing they may not see, and hearing may not understand.
11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And they by the way side are they that hear; then the devil cometh, and taketh the word out of their heart, lest believing they should be saved. 13 Now they upon the rock, are they who when they hear, receive the word with joy: and these have no roots; for they believe for a while, and in time of temptation, they fall away. 14 And that which fell among thorns, are they who have heard, and going their way, are choked with the cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and yield no fruit. 15 But that on the good ground, are they who in a good and perfect heart, hearing the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit in patience.
2006-10-28 16:29:12 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Personally I don't accept the Pope and I don't put him in the same league as most of the names you quoted. I am a protestant and I protest against Catholics because they do not follow the Bible. The rest of your question doesn't make any sense to me - I agree that the Apostle never passed anything on to any successors. I can't figure out who you mean by "these men". Are they the list you gave at the top or are they Catholics, or according to 2 cor 12:12 the apostles? Who doesn't read and study the Bible? Sorry I just don't understand.
If you reject that Jesus is God you separate yourself from pretty well all Christians plus even the Catholics believe that. Where do you stand?
What do you meanthe statement is not found in Scripture - Peter said Thou art Christ the Son of the living God.
2006-10-26 20:46:10 · answer #2 · answered by oldguy63 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I believe that Apostles and Prophets are appointed by the Lord. They are anointed and have gifts from Him. The Catholic Church has about as much influence on this as the Pharisees and Sadducees had in picking the Messiah.
2006-10-26 20:40:32 · answer #3 · answered by moviesmiss1 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
When John the beloved died-that was the last Apostle. There is NO succession. Several of the men you mentioned were real good fellows, and should not be confused with the catholic church.
2006-10-26 20:39:47 · answer #4 · answered by Desperado 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Christ built His church on Peter, his successors have served Christ to keep His church unified and with a common vision. They have been very successful and show what can be accomplished with the grace of God. The great myriad of broken protestant churches shows what happens without unity.
2006-10-26 20:39:35 · answer #5 · answered by ben 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
NO...
DISCIPLES PASS NO AUTHORITY DOWN--POPE GOT NO AUTHORITY FROM ANYONE 250 YEARS AFTER THEIR DEATH... HOW?
CATHOLIC SNEAKED A LOT IN ON PEOPLE.
PETER FIRST POPE..CRUCIFIED UPSIDE DOWN BY ROMANS...NICE POPE KILLING.. MANY OPES WERE MARRIED AND HAD CHILDREN AND PLENTY OF GIRLFRIENDS.
SOME POPES WERE MEAN AS HECK--MANY PEOPLE PUT TO DEATH.
CATHOLIC VIEWS ARE FAR DIFFERENT THAN BIBLICAL.
MEN CANNOT FORGIVE SIN--WE CAN FORGIVE THE ACT OR DEED BUT CHRIST FORGIVES SIN..
CHRIST IS ONLY WAY TO FATHER.
CATHOLIC USE MARY..
CATHOLIC PRAY TO PRAY
CHRIST SAYS PRAY TO FATHER AND ASK IN HIS NAME..
PRIEST-POPE-BISHOPS-CARDINAL=MAN CANNOT ABSOLVE SIN ---ROSARY BEADS CAN'T.
BIBLE AND CATHOLISM VARY GREATLY...
TONGUE MEAN KNOWN LANGUAGE...NOT GIBBERISH...
ACTS 2 ALL THOSE PRESENT HEARD THEIR LANGUAGE.
NOT UTTER BABBLING.
1 COR. THOSE PEOPLE AT CORINTH SPOKE IN GIBBERISH
AND APOSTLE PAUL WARNED THEM NOT TOO--SAYING THAT WAS CARNAL. ..
THE APOSTLE LEFT NOTHING BUT THE WORD.
WE ARE TO DO THE SAME--SPREAD THE WORD....
JUST AS THEY DID....
2006-10-26 20:47:06 · answer #6 · answered by cork 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
You can not prove your unsubstantiated claims so now you even have to attack the early Church Fathers? Boy your really digging your hole deep aren't you ?
To Cork: You Tarzan?
2006-10-26 20:49:47 · answer #7 · answered by Midge 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
it's all fiction don't believe everything you read
2006-10-26 20:37:30 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
translation in english please?
2006-10-26 20:36:40 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋