need help buying a new frame?

Question

i found these two frames on ebay. please read them and tell me which one you would buy and why. i am looking for something for XC with around 4-5 inches of travel, disc compatible, with an air shock. if you know wnywere else to get a descent DS frame with that criteria, please let me know. i dont want to spend anymore than $500. im only a begginner so i dont need top of the line, not that i can afford it anyway....

http://cgi.ebay.com/2004-GIANT-VT-2-W-SPV-SHOCK-MOUNTAIN-BIKE-FRAME_W0QQitemZ330042779262QQihZ014QQcategoryZ98083QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270044635834&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSII_Pr4_PcY_BID_IT&refitem=270040895251&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=ItemToItem&usedrule2=CategoryProximity&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

i am willing to spend up to $500 for the frame with a shock. i plan on buying a build kit from JensonUSA for $500 that comes with everything i need minus the fork. i will buy a Fox fork for less than $600. i am selling my old bike ($1400) so money is not that big of an issue. i want the higher travel b/c i like doing drops.
i have been racing XC for a year so its not like i just picked up a bike for the first time a month ago. i want a lighter bike than my 36lb Schwinn. so dont worry about what you think would work best for me, i know what im buying, just want your take on the quility of these frames. vthanks

i will also be building the bike myself, i built my current bike and it works fine. i have a small shop to work in.

Answer 1

`You're a "beginner" and somehow you've convinced yourself that you need a 5-inch travel full suspension bike with an air shock? You also don't want to spend more than $500, but is that on the frame or the whole bike?

You WILL NOT get a decent full suspension mountain bike for $500, end of story. Even if the frame was only $100, you're looking at $250 for a closeout fork, another $300 for a drivetrain, $100 for a handlebar & stem, $200 for a set of wheels, $100 for tires, and $200 more for pedals, seatpost, seat, grips, cables & housing.

Not to mention about $60 per hour in labor to get it built, and if you ARE a beginner, you won't be able to build it properly.

Perhaps you could be more realistic with your expectations.

Answer 2

To answer your question directly, I don't think you will see much of a difference with either frame. Giant has more of a reputation, but many people like their Raleighs. Looks like the Giant has a better rear shock. I'll hold off on my other comments...

Answer 3

I'd go with the Giant if only gbecause it's more proven. I think it's a nice frame for all around.