I am holding a blue pen in my hand,you can see it.I put the pen in a box.From where you are there is no evidence the pen has ever existed ,but for your memory.You know the pen is in the box.
The first Christians/Jews wrote the Bible from memory ,but yet we see no evidence of a God in our modern world,in timesof the holocaust and profit seeking war. Does this mean he is not here,have our memories been false? Or have they been manipulated for a diiffernt cause?Only we know what we know ,but how can you truly question others memory and indeed know there motives?
As freedom of thought has always been manipulated,initially by religion through religious text and now by multi-million pound corperatons through the media,can we even freely believe in anything,especially when our own politicians don't really stand for us. Generations are gradually getting inceasingly ignorant of the world we live in ,we can only ignore reality for a while before it slaps us in the face...ahhh!
2006-10-25 04:29:54 · 10 answers · asked by Anonymous in Arts & Humanities ➔ Philosophy
No, the Bible is not proof enough for a transcendent God. It does, however, provide proof of an immenent and transcendent God. Let's use your pen example. First you held the pen. In order to hold the pen, you must have gotten it from somewhere. You did not magically produce the pen out of thin air or conjure it in your mind. For you to have the pen, you or someone you know must have gotten it from a store, so there should be a receipt. Having the pen in hand probably means that you wrote with it at some time. All those things prove the existence of the pen, even if it is not currently visible. Thus, the Bible tells of individuals whose first hand accounts tell us that they touched, handled, heard, and experienced God.
Continuing with your illustration, if the pen is in the box out of sight, then it is verifiable by reopening the box. As one of the other individuals said, you can x-ray it, etc., to prove its existence. So, is there a way to reopen the box and see if God exists? Is the Bible one means of doing that? Again, the answer is yes. We have said that God is not only transcendent, He is also immanent. The Bible tells us that Jesus came in a verifiably human form as the "fullness of the God-head in bodily form." Both Christian and non-Christian writers affirm his physical existence. As someone else answered, check out the historical veracity of the Scriptures, which do not, as some individual said, contains contradictions, etc. I have yet to find an individual who has said the Bible contains contradictions to be one who has studied it to any degree of seriousness.
The final proof is whether, through the God of the Bible, people today have experienced God or have received confirmation in verifiable ways of God's existence. The answer again is yes. Jesus said, "Seek and you will find." So it is. The existence of the God of the Bible must be as provable today as it was in biblical times, and I would argue it is.
Finally, what does one mean by freedom of thought? Does freedom of thought mean we can never believe something that was written down before hand or is believed by many people? That's not freedom of thought, that is foolishness. Freedom of thought is the ability to research, examine, reason and come to the conclusion that something is true or it is false. It might be hip in our post-modernism to denigrate anything the past held to be valuable. Never-the-less, those who, through the centuries, have put the Bible to the test have seldom walked away from it convinced it was a hoax, and many have come to believe in a transcendent and immanent God as a result.
2006-10-25 09:19:01 · answer #1 · answered by C Gardner 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The bible says that all people can see proof of creation by looking around....all that is in existence was created....
Tribes of unreached people who live deep in jungles away from all other humans, have a concept of a creator or "God". The Native Americans did also.
The answer is that we have proof of creation, and this would logically lead to us believing in a creator. The bible also says that scripture is God Breathed, meaning that God is actually powerful enough to preserve the words that He wants for us to read so that we can have a better understanding of His character.
So...summing up.....We know there is a creator because we see the creation.....we read the word of the Bible so that we can know who this creator is.....
Above all...Faith is necessary to truly enter the world of spiritual enlightenment as you begin a relationship with God.
2006-10-25 11:35:43 · answer #2 · answered by LothLorien 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
First, one must establish, what would constitute adequate proof. I noticed that you failed to check out the archaeological evidences that have unanimously established the historical record of the Bible as accurate. The Bible is not a science textbook, but all the references are also accurate, despite what evolution would have you to believe. The best evidence for God is the design and complexity of the universe, order cannot arise out of chaos as evolution teaches. Human beings are unique in the universe in the matter of self-consciousness and moral agency. These and other propositions would help to establis the truthfulness of God's existence and constitute adequate proof.
2006-10-25 12:20:24 · answer #3 · answered by tigranvp2001 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
and some people are stupid....that should answer the first part.
as for the pen, I can test, examine and employ advanced means provided by SCIENCE to determine the exact contents or the box.
X-ray, Tomography, Magnetic imaging, etc.
The pen exists inside the realm of the box and it can be SCIENTIFICALLY determined.
What "realm" does your "god" live in.
You have no proof of your god or any god.
You can't provide scientifically verifiable proof and you never will.
Why?
Because there are no gods!
Live by the golden rule and leave this place better than you found it.
The end.
2006-10-25 12:15:19 · answer #4 · answered by timc_fla 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I take my pen and write a story of fiction. Or an allegory. This does not make it true. I see no evidence that Bible was written from "memory" in all likelihood it was "made up" or written as an "allegory" thus it is not evidence for ANYTHING factual.
2006-10-25 16:22:51 · answer #5 · answered by hq3 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The bible is good proof that Yahweh, the God of Moses, does not exist, for it has contradictions and scientific errors galore. Some people glibly deny this, but they make fools of themselves in this futile attempt.
2006-10-25 13:25:12 · answer #6 · answered by miyuki & kyojin 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No, it is not. I To ask if there is "proof", you are asking a black and white question. All "Faith" items require just that... "Faith" I am at the stage in my life where i have stopped looking for "proof" of God. If any one person or race had REAL PROOF everyone woudl eventually seek it and dive right in. So I am at the next step in the process. Can i take the "leap of faith" and just say I am one of His sheep"... I can not, Yet. I hope to, but at this point I feel like doing so is too Nieve for me.
2006-10-25 11:58:38 · answer #7 · answered by Patrick S 1 · 0⤊ 1⤋
the bible is not proof of anything except that ancient people had the ability to write down words.
2006-10-25 11:38:19 · answer #8 · answered by kent_shakespear 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
there was no god in the old world either, they just beleived there was.... just like people today do.
2006-10-25 11:40:50 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
faith is very subjective very personal..
2006-10-25 11:42:13 · answer #10 · answered by abc a 1 · 1⤊ 0⤋