Christians : How dare you !!?

Question

How dare you say that everyone have to believe in the trinity in order to be rightly guided !!!?

What about early Christians in the first 3 centuries who had no idea about it?

What about the apostles whom you claim to be inspired by God... why didn't anyone of them talk about it?

Christians should reject this man-mad doctrine which is nothing but a LIE invented against God.

Answer 1

we can only be saved through Jesus ( yeshua) how you feel about the trinity is not so important as long as you know Jesus as your lord and saviour. have him in your life not just know about him may God bless you

Answer 2

You are incorrect. The apostles and early Christians certainly did believe in the Holy Trinity. They didn't express it with our teminology today but the same concept existed then. The apostles did talk about it with Jesus. When Philip asked Jesus to show them the Father Jesus said, "You have been with me all this time and still you do not know when you see me you see the Father?" Jesus also said, "The Father and I are one!" St. Stephen the Martyr saw the Holy Trinity as he was being stoned to death.

DEMONSTRATING EXISTENCE OF THE HOLY TRINITY:

The HOLY TRINITY is defined as:
A term used since A.D. 200 to denote the central doctrine of the Christian religion. God, who is one and unique in his infinite substance or nature, is three really distinct persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The one and only God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yet God the Father is not God the Son, but generates the Son eternally, as the Son is eternally begotten. The Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son, but a distinct person having his divine nature from the Father and Son by eternal procession. The three divine persons are co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial and deserve co-equal glory and adoration.

We need to know how we are created in God's image to grasp the concept of the Holy Trinity and I think your question is a good one.

To understand this better, chart it out or use a diagram of two triangles of equal proportions like the Star of David. This allows an easier understanding of the relationship between the Essence and Existence of a thing. The following words should be distinguished in the following categories: Physical, Mental, and Spiritual. These three words encompass everything in the Universe and make up the CREATIVE PROCESS to help describe the Creator, creatures, and creation.

God is spirit. He cannot be seen. If you were to examine all the creatures, the CREATOR has made a pattern emerges: angels and demons are intellectual creatures without a body; plants and animals do not have an intellect but a body and mortal soul. IT IS ONLY LIVING, HUMAN, BEINGS, that have a MIND, BODY, and SOUL. Only human beings have all three. Now, living, human, being is the existence of man. Those words describe the essence of man's mind, body, and soul. The Body is living, the Mind makes us human and distinguishing us from animals, and our Soul makes us the being that we become (good or evil).

Now, even Muslims will agree Allah is omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing), and omnipresent (ever present). These words describe the existence of God. So, what is the essence of God? I will hold off answering this question till the end.

Now, if you think about the existence of a person they have a triple existence: physical (body), mental (mind), and spiritual (eternal soul). In fact, whenever we create something it has all three of these parts. When we cook we have a recipe (in our mind), we gather all the raw ingredients, and we cook (don't burn it, ha ha) what it is we are making. Cooking has the physical, mental, and spiritual parts. Same with engineering or technology it has three parts: the blueprints (to convey an idea), the raw materials (physical), and the workmanship (spiritual). If something goes wrong investigators will look for a design flaw, material flaw, or faulty workmanship. THIS DEMONSTRATES CREATION HAS THREE PARTS LIKE THE CREATOR.

Now, in the Bible it says Jesus is the visible likeness of the invisible God. (Colossians 1:15) The ESSENCE OF GOD IS: Father (mental), Son (physical), Holy Ghost (spiritual). ONE TRUE GOD IN THREE JUST LIKE A PERSON. THREE PARTS ONE PERSON. When you are sick you send for a doctor; when you are mentally troubled, a psychiatrist; when spiritually seeking you seek out a holy person.

Answer 3

The trinity is indeed a lie. Most people who consider themselves Christian are not worshiping the God of the Bible whose name is Jehovah. He never said he is some incomprehensible three-in-one God. The trinity concept has been around thousands of years before Christianity. That doctrine did not become "Christian" until over 300 years after the Bible was written. Not only didn't the early Christians believe in the trinity, the pre-christian ones didn't either. There is no record of Daniel, Ezekiel, or David saying anything about a triune God. They worshiped the only true God, Jehovah. That is the same God Jehovah's Witnesses serve.

Trinitarians try to fit a round peg in a square hole. If it doesn't fit, keep beating it until it does. Bible "proofs" trinitarians use are so wrong, they are almost laughable. Take for example one scripture they use to prove their point. At John 10:30, Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." Instead of examining the surrounding context, they just zero in on that one verse. If trinitarians would look just 4 verses further along, they would see Jesus' words: "I am God's SON"--not God himself.

True believers of the Bible reject the trinity.

Answer 4

Wow! Did you just challenge a lot of people's beliefs! The "trinity" is something that is difficult to understand. I have questioned God about whether or not the way the "trinity" is preached is correct.

The way I see it is that we have God the Father, Jesus Christ is His Son, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God whom He sent after Christ's resurrection to comfort us and guide us into all truth.

As far as the three being one goes, I'm inclined to believe that it means they are all of the same mind, working toward the same purpose. The Holy Spirit testifies about Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ testifies about God the Father. God the Father gave us the Holy Spirit to fulfill His purpose. Whether or not they are the same Being, I really do not know. But does my lack of knowledge mean I'm not being rightly guided? *I* don't think so. But I don't know even 1% of the entirety of the truth.

I can only trust by faith that I will be guided into all truth at some point. The Bible never tells us to worship the Holy Spirit. So if Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God were one Being/Person/Spirit, why did Jesus tell us to ask the Father for what we want in Jesus' name? If they were technically one Being, then why does the Bible differentiate them at all? Peace.

Answer 5

Knowledge is always progressive. We cannot do anything about things we do not know but once knowledge is revealed, we have a choice what to do with it.

The Trinity is a word that is man-made for sure but the doctrine is undeniably clear in the bible.

Don't listen to anyone else at the moment. Just take a quiet moment aside and search your bible for passages that say

1) The Father is God
2) Jesus is God
3) The Holy Spirit is God
4) The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are different individuals
5) The Father, Son and Holy Spirit communicate with each other.

I am not providing any verses for you to check because I am confident that if you search with the right attitude, you will find all 5 truths and the combination of these truths confirms the Trinity.

All the best in your search :-)

Answer 6

I'd say you are standing on a borderline, everyone has the right to believe what they will and as many Christians state their faith continuly evolves through the Holy Spirit or whatnot so they can believe in the Trinity because God has told them so.

No I'm not a Christian, the religion doesn't make enough sense for me to believe it but each to their own most people don't understand what I'm saying half the time so if they see God in Jesus then let them see God.

Answer 7

I'm Catholic and I'VE never said that everyone HAS to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian. The Dogma of the Blessed Trinity isn't "made up," it's simply a part of God's nature that we've been able to rationally describe. A "dogma" after all, is just "something held as an established opinion."

Quite frankly, there's an infinite number of things about God that I either don't know, don't believe, or haven't ever heard of.

Somebody not believing in the Trinity doesn't hurt my faith, nor does it hurt God. How can somebody believing in it hurt you?

Answer 8

If you are still in the right mind and remember what Jesus has said to the disciples before he went to heaven. The Counselor shall come and it is the Holy Spirit. Jesus went up to heaven, not as a irresponsible Savior, but did not leave just like that. The Holy Spirit take over His caring to everyone. From the time Jesus went to Heaven up to this time you are reading this answer, the Holy Spirit is with us. Be careful and always be careful in dealing the Holy Spirit, "The Blasphemy against the son of Man maybe forgiven, but the Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven". If you do not know what are you talking, try to seek the truth and lean not in your own understanding. My question to you, you mocked at the Holy Spirit, why did you not talk to Him and find out what I am saying? Before you accused anyone of this sheer lie.

Answer 9

How dare you call God a liar!!! It is not us Christians that are saying this, it is The Holy Bible that says it all. No one says you HAVE to believe. This is a gift from God. You either accept or reject, however turning your back on God will only result in eternal death in hell thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone. Just because you don't believe in hell does not mean you wont go there. Repent and save your soul while you still can.

Answer 10

The Apostles did believe in the Trinity.

Of Jesus--
Romans 9:5
of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Of the Spirit--
Acts 5:3-4

But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

Both are referred to by the Apostles as God

Answer 11

but that would be illogical.

unfortunately there are many Xtians who belief the English version of the bible was chipped out of stone by the finger of God an given to Moses with the ten commandments.

Beekays quotes support nothing and are not even clear about whom they are discussing.
And Politias referrence to 1,000 BC predates the Bible by about 400 years, and The earliest writings are monotheistic, except the direct plagiarism from mesopotamian mythology. The bible(Torah) was not written until after the return of the Judeans from the Babylonian exile, check your history.
And you have the standard class of religious logic posted above me.