Was Lucifer meant to fall?

Question

Would appreciate any opinions here. Was this part of God's great scheme with Lucifer having to fall to complete the good v's evil circle and keep a balance?

Is he evil incarnate or misunderstood and a victim of a greater plan, playing out the part?

Just a note to point out that I've read the bible and still come up with the same question, that this was always going to happen - the Bible isn't going to say this.

What would have happened if this hadn't happened, would we still have free will, would no evil exist?

Answer 1

For evil to exist there must be good to judge it by. If God is the supreme being, and has the power to create, It stands to reason that it was he who created Lucifer, Therefore it is part of his design to have good and evil. Does the fact that he created evil then mean God is partly evil ?

Answer 2

Lucifer (satan would be a more common name) was not predestined, but had the free will and free consciousness. This is how he got to thin he is actually superior to God. Then he fell--he could no longer keep close to God, nor higher than God as he hoped, and down he went, together with some other angels that lost access to heaven and became demons.

This was not "part od God's great scheme", but rather an assumed risk. Independent minds have to be truly independent. In this way, the majority of angels became unchangeable in good by their own choice and not by some built-in device.

After their fall, satan and his acolytes made a purpose for themselves out of making humans fall also, which at first worked out well (if well is the word). However, God in his mercy removed mankind from immortality and unchangeability, until the enemy will be defeated, because in this way we would have also been condemned to eternal sinfulness. The fallen man experiences not only sin, but also repentance; pains and suffering bring death to mind and thus repentance becomes easy.

Answer 3

This is my take on it!!! Lucifer never fell, and there is no Hell as we are meant to believe there is, but there is a Dark Side where those that have not accepted God go when they pass over. Lucifer is an Angel and was chosen by God to watch over those lost souls as he did not want them to be completely alone. Also, if the lost souls do decide to accept God, then God is waiting to accept them onto the Other Side. God has given all of us free will to use as we wish. We are all Gods children no matter what race, religion or colour. it is upto us if we want to embrace Him. Lucifer means light.

Answer 4

John 8 44 that one was a manslayer when he began,
If whatshispuss had not been a sneaky spanner in the works and lied to eve when he saw she was open to being tricked into eating then Adam and Eve would have lived on indefinitely and had perfect children that could have eaten from the tree of life and lived potentially forever too. They would still have had their freewill. The only specific condition was the tree of the knowledge of bad and good. A society full of clean, healthy, trusting people. one big united earthly family.
he was not meant to fall. he was not created to fall. when he did choose to act that way god has allowed things to continue on from then so that the issues of sovereignty and the right to rule can be resolved. if god had destroyed satan then and there all the rest of the angels would be obedient out of fear ? not love. from then on.

Answer 5

I'm not sure what question you are asking here.

The whole story is myth, based on older myths from other belief systems. It was adapted to address the needs and questions about sin and evil that Jewish theology was struggling to graphically express and find spiritually 'truthful' answers for, at different phases in it's history (which is what all 'myth' does).

Then, via a Christian use of the concept of 'an evil one', developed in apocalyptic literature like the Book of Revelation, he got taken up by Milton and woven into the subject of his epic poem Paradise Lost, which was really where much of the detail image of the defiant Lucifer making war against Heaven as we know it today took it's form and was fleshed out. We tend to read references to a satanic/disobedient cosmic character in the Bible through those later spectacles, often assuming (incorrectly) that the people who wrote those pre-Miltonic texts understood him as the 'fallen angel' figure we do today.

Sometimes myths only deal with part of an answer. In the case of 'Lucifer'/ 'Satan', he was originally a character seen as a positive force in God's creation, working with God as his servant, (check out his role in Job). Later in Jewish religious belief he acquired other overtones, and was seen as a malign force personifying evil. The concept of 'hell' as a place that figured in punishment for the souls of sinners after death, was quite a late one in Jewish biblical thought. Through the prism of Christianity with it's development of the 'redemptive' role of Jesus, 'Satan' became a channel and agent for temptation and sin (disobedience to the divine will and separation from God).

All of which sidesteps the issue (implicit in your question) , of how a force of opposition can exist in a creation made and governed by an all powerful, omniscient being - and what meaning 'free will' has in such a creation. But that is an issue of theological debate that the Lucifer myth did not originally seek to address - sometimes by questioning mythic allegory and metaphor too literally, you end up turning powerful poetic imagery into fairy tales, which gives the word 'myth' a bad name.

The basic answer is, if you believe in a divine and benign creative force that is both just and merciful, that permits free will and disobedience with all its malign consequences to exist, you ultimately come to take refuge in 'divine mystery' to answer these kinds of why and how questions. In heaven and the mind of God, presumably circles can be squared;-)

Answer 6

No he wasn't meant to fall.Satan was good when he was created but turned bad because he allowed wrong feelings grow inside him.
To illustrate:- a theif isn't born a theif. He starts by looking at something then the desire for that motivates him to do wrong if he allows it to. The same with Satan. When he saw that mankind was going to populate the earth and worship God, he started to desire some of that worship for himself and this motivated him to turn Adam & Eve away from God. (JAMES 1:14, 15)
Man was created perfect in the beginning, to live forever. It was only by their disobedience (instigated ny Satan) that sin was introduced into mankind.
It was not God's scheme or plan that this was to happen.
God's original purpose for mankind will be fulfilled (ISAIAH 55:11)
That is God's plan.

Any more questions, please email me & I will answer you using the scriptures :-)

Answer 7

NO he was not meant to fall i do not think because if he was god would of made hell a long time ago b4 lucifer fell but the only reason God made hell was to hold the devil there for trying to become God. The only reason why people go there is bc we went against God too But that is why Jesus had to die so we could get salvation and be with him and not go to hell. Jesus does not want us to go there he only made it for the devil bc he had everything and wanted more and went against God so he had to punish the Lucifer.

Answer 8

I really think that he was not meant to fall.................. He made his own decision. I also don't think God would have taken much pleasure in the fact that his people would suffer because of the evil in this world.Evil was not part of his initial plan!

Answer 9

Poor lucifer is being blamed for all the fault of bible, church and christians. leave him alone...yesterday he was with me......crying and begging to take him out of this rot called religion. he wants to live peacefully. i'm giving him asylum in my home.......he deserves some sympathy.

Answer 10

It depends... If you think "God" is infallible and omnipotent, then Lucifer's downfall *has* to be part of "God's" scheme.

Now on the other hand if you do not see "God" as infallible or onmipotent, then, you know...