tell me........?

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tell me this christians when i have a debate weather god is real or not i get asked to prove my point fair enough i cant prove he is not real i dont need to prove it i know for sure he aint real so tell me this can you prove to me that he is real i mean hardcore evidence that he is real. have you seen him in the night sky lol give you a wave give me a break.

i bet that you god lovers were converted when you were young and insecure. a child has no chance dont ya realize that you can brainwash a child to belive anything i mean a child dose not know whats real and what not real when he is born intill he is old enough to think for himself... peer presure..dont tell me you dont give your child the choice you force it upon them that is why religion survives generation to generation its so sad its all a myth just like santa and the tooth fairy

its ok you can report me for this am used to it

Answer 1

Well, have to say I agree with you, mate. I'm an athiest too, and I thought you'd find this funny:
Me: So, how can you tell there's a god?
Friend: I can feel it in my heart.
Me: What, like heartburn?
Friend: *throws piece of cake at me*
Off-topic, but I thought it would make you laugh.

Answer 2

You lose the bet; I was converted at the ripe young age of 30; so how much do you owe me for you being wrong. Since you are wrong about that, what else are you wrong about?

Now that you know that you aren't so smart, try an experiment. Get a bucket of nuts, bolts, screws, nails, and maybe some wood or sheet metal, then toss it all into the air and see what you make. Mabe you can come out with a new car or a watch, or at least a bicycle. I bet that the only thing you make is a ness.

Try another experiment. Blow up some fireworks and see what you can make other than noise.

By now, you must be thinking that I am pretty stupid, but that is exactly what you want me to believe about the origin of life on this planet.

The car, watch and bicycle have to be designed and made. Every human, animal and plant on this planet is more complex than anything that man can make, and you expect me to believe that it wasn't designed?

There are only two possibilities; either we were created by a living God who designed us (then we messed up the whole thing), or it was the luckiest accident that ever happened. I know for a fact, that it wasn't an accident- God created this world.

Get your bucket of screws and nails and prove me wrong.

Answer 3

I think your question is fair and moreover polite, so I don't see why would anyone report you.

About the proof or evidence for God's existence or non-existence, many philosophers have tried hard to find it, not to mention that for some people the progress of science is an anti-God evidence in itself. However, none of these is absolute, but interpretable, and as you have seen, the interpretations differ.

I am glad, however, to see maybe for the first time on this site an atheist who admits his opinion is based on faith ("i cant prove he is not real i dont need to prove it i know for sure he aint real"), and not on some naive "science tells us". Good for you, man!

About my conversion: contrary to what you might expect, in my childhood I was brainwashed into atheism and "scientific materialism", because I grew up in a communist country. The first time I felt I believed God is real was in December 1989. (I was almost 13.) At that time, the dictator Ceausescu fled and the rebels seized the power. (What happened after that politically is another story.) So, I turned the TV on and they were there, and one of them said out loud: "Romanians, we are free, we have conquered! God is with us (on our side)!" But faith truly changed my life when I was 21.

I'm not sure about the tooth fairy (which seems to be an Anglo-American superstition), but Santa Claus was a real person, St. Nicholas, Archbishop of Myra, a city still existing today in Turkey, in the 4th century (he was born in the 3rd). Now of course, if you refer to the fact that the character of Coca-Cola commercials is not real, and the parents give the presents to the kids instead of him, I suppose no one over 8 or so would disagree.
The life of St. Nicholas:
http://www.roca.org/OA/5/5m.htm
Recent Miracles of St Nicholas the Wonderworker:
http://www.orthodox.net/stnicholas/stnicholas3miracles.html

Answer 4

I understand where u are coming from, in my mind religion was a way of controlling back in the day, if u ever did anything wrong then it was fear of going to hell, because they didn't have this thing called television they all believed it. Even kings were told when to go into battle cause they were told by their church that this was the best day. Now days people watch more telly and realise that maybe there is no god, i mean how many rockets have we sent into space and not one person has not seen this so called god. The only problem with this is that people are still afraid, afraid of being naked cause we would get laughed at getting married cause we are afraid of being alone and the same goes for death. True it's going to happen but for some people not knowing where they are going scars them half to death and so believe in god to be less afraid when this happens

Answer 5

God has given everyone free will. You can choose not to believe.

What does it matter if I believe? What is wrong with loving my Creator? What is wrong with loving one another?

Have I caused you harm?

Whether you believe it or not...God loves you. Even when you choose not to believe.

You are right on one account. I was brought up in the Church. However in my young teens...I walked away from the Church and lived a secular life.

Fast forward 20 years...I had been toying with the idea of going back to Church. I was unhappy and had vast emptiness inside.

I began attending and the message the Pastor gave that Sunday spoke into my life. So, I went back again...and again. It didn't take long to figure out what I had been longing for...Jesus in my life. I now have a peace I had never experienced before; even when I was a child in Church...I never had a relationship like this.

I know no one can have the exact relationship with Jesus that I have. That doesn't mean it can't be just as amazing and intense. I wish you could understand that. It's awesome.

I wanted you to know...no one dragged me back to Church as an adult. I went of my own free will...and haven't looked back at the secular and empty life I left behind.

Answer 6

Yes, you are very right. I have grown up in the church. So, you could say that religion was forced on me as a child, but I've grown up now. I still believe. I still go to church. I still pray. I still love God, more now than ever. Most people are taught religion from birth, however there are some who are not. My parents grew up in a different church then we are in now, and not too long after getting out on their own they quit going. And now they're back. No one is pushing it on them now. They are fully grown adults. They've seen what life is like without God in it. They didn't like it, so they repented and were forgiven. You want hardcore evidence that God is real? Everything is evidence. Every single thing is evidence that God exists. How does anything happen? God makes it happen. That's not evidence? Of course it is, why isn't it? Oh, right because you don't believe. I don't believe in a lot of things, does that make them not real? God is real, no, I can't drag a person in front of you and say, "here he is, this is God." I can't give you any scientific formula, any geologic proof, or any document that says that God exists. I can't prove it to you because you're not willing to see the evidence that's already been presented. You're not willing to believe. You're asking this because you want more than anything to have something to hold onto, to hope in. So, you're looking for someone on here to show you what you're not willing to see and convince you. Well, we can't. Only you can make the choice to see what we see.

Answer 7

There are two kinds of revelation. General and Special. General is what we see in nature. You can't look at the world and think that there's no God that created that. Special revelation is what we read in the Bible and what God tells us about himself. Special takes more faith. The reason that people get saved when they're little is that children have more faith and for some reason or another, can figure out things about God that we wouldn't come up with unless we thought real hard. Yeah, they can be brainwashed, but what they're brainwashed about is a matter of opinion. Plus, their hearts are much more tender to the Gospel, unlike adults that think that they can take care of themselves, and when they get to hell, because they never believed in God, they realize that they never were really in control.

Answer 8

If anyone could prove that God is, then there would be no need for faith and God's Word says, we believe by faith. Now if you don't believe, that is your right, however one day, if you keep thinking like that, you will look up from a devil's hell and wish you had one more chance to believe , but it will be too late. As far as children being brainwash, 90% of Christians become Christians after they are well into their adulthood. Check your facts before you start trying to give your lessons.

Answer 9

You seem a little bit upset that perhaps some people might believe in something you do not.

I won't even try to prove to you that God exists. It's so personal. It would be like me dictating to you that the missionary position is the best sexual position there is - how would I know that that position would work for you as well as it works for me when I'm not you? I wouldn't, would I?

The thing is, some of us choose to have faith in God and that faith works wonders for us. On the other hand, some of us choose not to have faith in God and that's OK too. We, as adults (and children) have the right to choose our own spiritual paths. A little bit of guidance is good, but dictation is DEFINATELY a no-no.

By the way, I have faith in God but my son doesn't believe in him at all. I have no desire what-so-ever to force him into believing in God for many reasons. Here are a few:
a) blind faith is pointless
b) it would make him unhappy forcing him to pray, etc
c) I would be kidding myself into a false belief that my faith is going to "work" for him in the way it "works" for me

I could go on, but I think you get the point.

Answer 10

Actually I converted when I was 21, and an atheist at that! I was not raised in a Christian household and besides that your brainwashing theory lacks something else. People only get brainwashed if they WANT to get brainwashed. I talk to many people coming back to the church after long hard periods of their lives, former atheists like me. Come to find out we see in the church TONS of people that have a church background but gave it up early in their lives. You may find this hard to believe but when people turn 18, this country sets them free! Free to sin or free to save!

Just about any born-again Christian can provide a testimony in which the ways God has revealed himself and done miracles in their lives. That serves as positive personal proof to ourselves to confirm what we already know. Do you have positive proof proving that God is make believe?

Atheists always like to think that if only they saw a miracle then they would believe and life would be awesome and theyd follow God. Unfortunately it doesnt work that way. The evil in an unbelievers heart is not changed by what registers in his eyes and gets stored in his mind. The problem with atheists is not what is missing in their minds, it is what is missing in their hearts.

Answer 11

Just as an atheist is born so also is a theist. i hope you had your parents. They may have believed in god or not but you don't believe. So also those who believe had their choice of giving up God once they became free of their parents. No one can make a person pray. One may kneel down in a church lower the head yet can keep thinking about some woman whom he likes.
My point is that there are are two types of atheists , those who go to church yet do not believe, and those who do not go to church and do not believe. God is always personal. It can be found only by love it cannot be coerced or bribed to dance to our will.
Those who know God feel happy and recommend to others for the same happiness. (this does not mean that all preachers are honest. They have their own axe to grind).
i grew up in an orthodox family but no one ever compelled me to pray. Once I was upset by certain happenings in my office. my father mildly said do your prayers properly and you ought to be all right. i just followed his advise because i loved him much and today I am happy.