who agrees with me that saturdsay is the real sabbath day instead of sunday?

Question

i really think.after reading some books and investigating that saturday, the actual sabbath day was changed to sunday by the catholics cos they worship the SUN instead of GOD so they compelled the early true christians to worship the sun too and then changed and layed curfew on all those who worshipped on saturday which is the treue sabbath day!!!!

Answer 1

I agree Saturday is the Sabbath and the origins of SUNday worship is based on Sun worship. I am first going to talk about some points made earlier and after that I will give a list of many verses upholding the Sabbath. It may be a little long I apologize.

1) Sunday is never called the Lord's day in the Bible the only day the Bible calls the Lord's Day is the Sabbath(Saturday)
Exodus 20:8, Isa 58:13,14.

2) Acts 20:7 says they "broke bread" on the first day. But if you read Acts chapter 2 it says they broke bread every day, breaking bread means eating it does not mean Conmmunion. The verse also does not say this was a regular event it does show that it was Paul's last night with those believers so he gave a farewell sermon. The Bible shows that the Gentiles went to Church on the Sabbath Acts 13:42, Acts 17:1-4, Acts 18

2) I Corinthians 16:2 “Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.”?

This verse says nothing about worship. What it is talking about is collecting money to distribute in Jerusalem (vs. 3) because there was a famine Acts 11

If we look at Acts 18 Paul went to Corinth to build the Church

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue EVERY Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the GREEKS.
Acts 18:11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

That is 72 Sabbaths.

Another problem is if Paul says he doesn't want collections taken when he comes to worship with them (on Sunday) then why does he tell them to give the offering on Sunday?

Read in context


3) Jesus did NOT change the law
"My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips" Psalms 89:34
"I am the Lord I CHANGE NOT" Malachi 3:6
Romans 3:31, “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.”
"All HIS commandments are sure. They stand fast FOREVER AND EVER" Ps. 111:7, 8
Sin is the transgression of the law and the wages of sin is death.


4) The Day DOES matter, GOD did not say pick A day. HE said THE 7th day is THE Sabbath. "The" is a definite article meaning something specific .

5) the Sabbath was given to Adam and Eve over 1000 years before Abraham was even born. We all come from Adam and we all are supposed to keep the Sabbath.

If the Sabbath was created perfect in the garden of Eden Holy and Hallowed why would GOD change it. If GOD's plan is to restore everything back to the way it was before sin why is HE changing something that WAS perfect, IS perfect and WII FOREVER BE perfect?

No one ever produces one verse calling Sunday the Lord's Day

The ONLY command that starts of with the word "REMEMBER" is the only command people want to ignore. Ironic?




Here are Many Bible verses that support the Continuity of the Sabbath.


This is a VERY IMPORTANT subject I know it is long, but PLEASE read it

A challenge, where in the Bible does it call Sunday the New Sabbath?
search the scriptures you will not find it


Was the Sabbath created by God on Mt. Sinai?

And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
Genesis 2:2,3

The Sabbath was part of creation week


What does the Bible say about the Sabbath?

“ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11


But we don’t really know which day is the seventh?

It is highly unlikely that the entire Jewish community forgot which day was their Holy day.

Which day is the seventh day?

Saturday : the seventh day of the week
-Webster’s Dictionary


Are there other examples of God emphasizing the Sabbath?

He said to them, "This is what the LORD commanded: 'Tomorrow is to be a day of rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD. Exodus 16:23

And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? See, for that the LORD hath given you the Sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:28-30

Both of these examples are before Mt. Sinai and the 10 commandments.

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Exodus 30:13


I am a Christian and I want to follow Christ. Did Jesus keep the Sabbath?

He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. Luke 4:16

Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?" Matthew 12:9,10

They went to Capernaum, and when the Sabbath came, Jesus went into the synagogue and began to teach. Mark 1:21

When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed. Mark 6:2

He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. Luke 4:16

Then he went down to Capernaum, a town in Galilee, and on the Sabbath began to teach the people. Luke 4:31

On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues Luke 13:10


But isn’t Sunday the Lord’s day?

Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. Exodus 20:8

If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour Him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isa 58:13,14

For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. Matthew 28:8

So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. Mark 1:21

Then Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." Luke 6:5


Did Jesus expect his followers to keep the Sabbath after he ascended into heaven?
Jesus speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 A.D.

Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. Matthew 24:20

Did the apostles keep the Sabbath?
Acts 13:14
Acts 13:42
Acts 13:44
Acts 16:13
Acts 17:2
Acts 18:4


But Doesn’t Col 2:14 say that the Sabbath is gone?

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

According to this theory then we can commit adultery and murder and steal and worship idols etc.
Is that what Paul means? No!

There are two laws the 10 commandments written by God placed in the Ark and the handwritten law of Moses which was placed outside the ark which “was a witness against us” Deuteronomy 31:25.


But what about I Corinthians 16:2 “Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.”?

This verse says nothing about worship. What it is talking about is collecting money to distribute in Jerusalem (vs. 3)

If we look at Acts 18 Paul went to Corinth to build the Church

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Acts 18:11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

That is 72 Sabbaths.


But I thought the Gentiles went to Church on Sunday?
Acts 13:42
Acts 17:1-4
Acts 18


Doesn’t Romans 14 say we can worship any day?

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

If you look ate the book of Zechariah you see what Paul was talking about
Then came the word of the LORD of hosts unto me, saying, Speak unto all the people of the land, and to the priests, saying, When ye fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh month, even those seventy years, did ye at all fast unto me, even to me? And when ye did eat, and when ye did drink, did not ye eat for yourselves, and drink for yourselves? Zechariah 7:4,5
Paul is talking about observing days of Fasts

Let’s think about this is Paul telling people to violate the commandments if Paul had said Rom 14:6 He that kills, kills unto the Lord; and he that kills not, to the Lord he doth not kills.

People would say "That’s crazy you can’t commit murder that’s a moral law, Paul must mean something else." Many people justify breaking the Sabbath because they view all the other laws as more important, and the Sabbath as a minor law. They use this philosophy to justify outright rebellion against God and his law


Didn’t Jesus gave us new laws, Love God and love your neighbor?
These are not new laws they summarize the 10 commandments the first 4 deal with your love for God and the last 6 deal with your love for man. In addition these are not new laws

Deuteronomy 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

Leviticus 19:18 'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD


But aren’t we under Grace now?

“What then? Shall we sin, because we are not under the law but grace? God forbid” Romans 6:15

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Romans7:7

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31

Is there anywhere in The Bible that says to keep Sunday Holy?
No, The scripture can not be found.


Are we saved by the Law?
NO!! Absolutely NOT!!
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9

“What then? Shall we sin, because we are not under the law but grace? God forbid” Romans 6:15

Will we keep the Sabbath in Heaven?
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.


Did the calendar change effect the weekly cycle?
No
Thursday, October 4, 1582 was followed by Friday October 15
Did the calendar change? Yes. Did the weekly Cycle change? NO!

Who changed the Sabbath to Sunday
“The earliest recognition of the observance of Sunday, is a constitution of Constantine in 321 A.D.” Encyclopedia Brittanica

Emperor Constantine worshiped the sun god Sol invictis (the undefeated sun) on Sunday and decided to mix pagan worship with Christianity, the question is since when did Pagan monarchs decide Bible truth?


The only commandment that people want to do away with is the only one that starts with Remember.
Is it a burden to keep Sabbath Holy?

No, it is however a burden to MAKE Sunday, which is no where in the Bible called the Sabbath, Holy.


No where in the Bible did Jesus or the Disciples instruct anyone to keep Sunday Holy.


If God created it perfect in the Garden of Eden, Moses and the Israelites kept it, If God commanded us to keep it, God says to take joy in the Sabbath, He is upset when we don’t keep it, Jesus kept it, the disciples kept and taught others to keep it, and we are going to keep it in Heaven shouldn’t we start keeping it here on Earth?



What do ministers of the different Faiths say?

Presbyterian:
“Until, therefore, it can be shown that the whole moral law has been repealed, the Sabbath will stand… The teaching of Christ confirms the perpetuity of the Sabbath” - T.C. Blake D.D. Theology Condensed

Catholic:
“You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day we never sanctify.” - James Cardinal Gibbons

Catholic:
“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did happened in the first century(actually 200yrs later). The holy day, the Sabbath , was changed from Saturday to Sunday… not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church’s sense of its own power… People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority should logically become Seventh Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” –Saint Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel, May 21. 1995

Baptists:
“There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath was not Sunday. … It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week… Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament- absolutely not. There is no scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the seventh to the first day of the week.”- Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, Baptist Manual

Pentecostal:
“Why do we worship on Sunday? Doesn’t the Bible teach us that Saturday should be the Lord’s Day?... Apparently we will have to seek the answer from some other source than the New Testament.” David A Womack, “Is Sunday the Lord’s Day?”

Lutheran:
“The observance of the Lord’s day [Sunday] is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the church.” – Augsburg Confession of Faith,


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Answer 2

Good question,and yes in the Jewish tradition the sabbath was saturday. Jesus says in Matthew that he did not come to change the law,and the proper day to be observing the sabbath would still be saturday for Christians if you take him at his word. Constantine was the leader who made Christianity the official church of Rome thus creating the Roman Catholic Church, some would say he was howver compelled to do this to appease Christian followers who had become very evident and vocal, rather than a true conversion. He himself was originally a sun worshipper and it was most likely he that changed the day of the sabbath observance,although he came up with creative ways to explain it I'm sure.

Answer 3

Yes, in legal terms, the original Sabbath (day of rest) is Saturday.

Sunday, as a day of worship, has nothing to do with Pagan religions. Here is why Christians celebrate Sunday as the Sabbath:

The Resurrection:
Luke 24:1 "On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb."

The tradition:
Acts 20:7 "On the first day of the week we came together to break bread."

The Spiritual reality:
Colossians 2:16 "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day."


Jesus is "Lord of the Sabbath". He has kept the OT command perfectly on our behalf...legalistic observance is done. We live in Christian liberty, by the guidance of the Spirit.

God said, "I desire mercy, not sacrifice." (Hosea 6:6). Compliance with "rules" means nothing. We walk by faith, trusting in God's grace.

As the verse above (Acts 20:7) illustrates, Christians met on Sunday from very early on. The contention of some that this was a "later change introduced by the Catholic Church" is incorrect. There are numerous 1st & 2nd century non-biblical documents that underscore that fact (even from non-Christian sources).

Answer 4

You need to read some more books.

Try some legitimate history or theology books this time.

Jesus certainly didn't worship the sun, and he was the one who chose to rise again on a Sunday.

Jesus is also the one who founded the Catholic church and gave it the power and authority to make rules that govern Christian behavior.

And do you really think that Catholics worship the sun? Are you kidding?!

You must have been reading "The Two Babylons" ... and if you believe any of the stuff in there, you have already been greatly deceived.

If you have a problem with Catholics, take it up with Jesus, who remains the head of the Catholic church, and who has promised to guide and preserve his church until the end of the age.

The old law is no more.

The new covenant universal church and God's grace are today's new realities.

All those who insist on trying to live by the old law only bring curses upon themselves.

Answer 5

The observance of the "Sabbath," the seventh day, was given to the nation of Israel at Mount Sinai by the Lord as part of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15). The Sabbath was to be a sign of God's covenant with Israel, a day of rest from labor, and a memorial of God's great acts of creation and deliverance. The Sabbath was a good gift of God to Israel, but it was also enforced very strictly, the penalty for deliberately doing unnecessary work on that day being death (Exodus 35:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36).

When God raised Christ from the dead in power and glory on the first day of the week, the followers of Christ were led to honor Him and the resurrection on the first day of the week. Scriptural warrant for giving special worship and honor to Christ on the first day of the week, the "Lord's Day," is found in Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, and Revelation 1:10.

Many Christians and churches believe that worshiping and serving Christ on Sunday in commemoration of His resurrection completely fulfills the requirement of the Fourth Commandment. In this understanding, the Sabbath has been changed from the seventh day of the week to the first day because of Christ's resurrection. It is now a memorial of God's new covenant and His greater spiritual creation and deliverance of the church from sin and death.

Other Christians and churches worship on Sunday but do not believe that Sunday is a Christian Sabbath based on the Fourth Commandment. They believe that the Sabbath commandment is no longer binding upon Christians, since there was no restatement of it for Christians in the New Testament. They rather turn to Paul's admonition in Colossians 2:16-17, "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."

"We are to have a day that we come apart to worship God. It's a special day set apart for that purpose." (Dr. Billy Graham) In any case, all Christians would agree that our faith is not limited to a day, nor are we saved by being obedient to the rules of a certain day. We are saved through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; see Ephesians 2:8-9. After we receive Christ as Savior, we have God's love poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit" (Romans 5:5, NKJV), and we desire to worship and serve Him every day of the week.

Answer 6

Sunday is the first day of the week. that is the you go into the storehouse and make your offering. according to the calendar we use the sabbath is saturday but our callendar is the not the one we should use if we want to follow the true sabbath. for that you will have to use a lunar callendar or the lunar callendar. (Moon means Month). The true sabbath day changes every month. today (10/22/06) is the new moon and the first day of the month. count today as day one and count seven days. that is the sabbath day. Hey what do you know it is sataurday. but only the next 30 or so. the next new moon is on 20 November 2006. that puts the sabbath day on sunday the 26th and dec 3rd, 10th, 17th

Answer 7

Jenny, who ever smacked you on the head, was just trying to get you to snap out of your indoctrinated stupor. You have been brain soiled from birth. Perhaps a SUN day study for you and your Bible would be a proper reading of the Word of God as it is written, not as you have been told it said.

A good starting point would be to run thru the points of Brother Conundrum. This may take a little Intellectual Honesty on your part, but you will be the better person for having done so. God Bless.

Answer 8

From studying the solutions they don't seem to be jewish however comply with a jewish savior. The Sabbath was once just for the jews. gentiles/christians do not comply with the jewish legislation, moses legislation, historical testomony, and so forth. Jesus is the Lord of The Sabbath, HE created the whole thing, He created guy and girl, He created The Sabbath and blessed it and instructed us to REMEMBER IT AND KEEP IT HOLY. Rejecting the Holy Sabbath and the educating of Christ after which to notice/be given a pagan day of solar day in location of and nonetheless declare to be fans of Christ; (stored via grace)despite the fact that rejecting the whole thing else seeing that it "best applies to the jews/Israel". From any such line of pondering how do they be given the pass with a jewish savior? They are following after false impression and the fake traditions of guy. As for me and my residence we will comply with the Lord...Happy Sabbath...

Answer 9

The 7th Day Adventists are 1 Christian group that agree with you. Jewish people still observe Saturday Sabbath as well.

Answer 10

Jesus said that the sabbath was made for MAN. Because
man will work you to death. Shove you in a hole, and work the
next man to death. It is a day for rest.
Fighting over what day is the real sabbath is nit-picking. What
people should really stand up for, is getting an ancient pagan
phallic symbol out of places of worship. The "christ"mas tree.
Jeremiah 10.

Answer 11

I do, but Sunday is the Lord's day
The gentile converts held their religious meetings on Sunday (Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2) and with the disappearance of the Jewish Christian churches this day was exclusively observed as the Lord's Day.


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