Mormon Prophecy in their Scripture?

Question

Who Is Oliver Granger?

Important Mormon revelations were recorded ...Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Far West, Missouri, July 8, 1838,

And again I say unto you, I remember my servant, Oliver Granger; behold, verily, I say unto him that his name shall be hand in sacred remembrance from generation to generation, forever and ever; saith the Lord.

Doctrine and Covenants 117:12

Answer 1

"Therefore, let my servant Joseph and his seed after him have place in that house, from generation to generation, forever and ever, saith the Lord." Doctrine and Covenants 124:59

Comments: After Joseph Smith was killed the Mormons were driven from the city and Nauvoo House no longer was owned by the Smith family.

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February 1835
"President Smith then stated that the meeting had been called, because God had commanded it; and it was made known to him by vision and by the Holy Spirit...and it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord which was nigh - even fifty-six years should wind up the scene." History of the Church, page 182

Comment: We're STILL waiting!!!!

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The Bible says: "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Deuteronomy 18:22

"...the leaders of this people cause them to err; and THEY THAT ARE LED OF THEM ARE DESTROYED." Isaiah 9:16

Comment: Therefore, Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormon Church, was a false prophet.

Answer 2

One of the silliest arguments used by critics to try to "shut up" members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is the old saw about Oliver Granger and members of the Church not knowing who he is.

In the Doctrine and Covenants, section 117:12 we are told:

And again, I say unto you, I remember my servant Oliver Granger; behold, verily I say unto him that his name shall be had in sacred remembrance from generation to generation, forever and ever, saith the Lord.

Now, this writer is not old enough to have known Oliver Granger, but he is old enough to have read Section 117 of the Doctrine and Covenants. Since Oliver Granger's name appears there, and has from the first time the Doctrine and Covenants was printed, it appears that in at least one respect Oliver's name is being remembered "from generation to generation." Moreover, this writer can remember back some 40 years ago when a speaker in Sacrament Meeting in Logan, UT (the old Logan 14th Ward) gave a whole talk about Oliver Granger in reference to what section 117 says about him. Further, critics keep bringing his name up again and again; so how in the world can we forget this man?

Oliver Granger is recorded in Church history as well. For example:

in the History of the Church, edited by B. H. Roberts, reference is made to Oliver's name no less that 14 times, in the Index. This is many more times than most people listed therein.
He is noted in Church Chronology, Andrew Jensen makes three references to Oliver.
In The Historical Record, Andrew Jensen mentions Oliver's call to go to Kirtland, Ohio to "take the charge and oversight of the House of the Lord, and preside over the general affairs of the Church in that place," on page 738.
Many, many more references could be provided, but if that is necessary, then the point is lost anyway.
Beyond that, however, is an even more rational approach to the meaning of this verse. John A Tvedtnes (FARMS/ISPART) commented as follows:

More to the point, what does "sacred remembrance" mean? Surely not my memory. How about God's memory? The only way to have a "sacred remembrance" is to be remembered by God, isn't it? (e-mail dated July 7, 2003)

Also, in an article appear on this web site, by John A. Tvedtnes, he comments:

It seems unlikely that the memory of any mortal can be called "sacred," so the words "sacred remembrance" most likely refer to the fact that the Lord would remember him. After all, the verse begins with the Lord saying, "I remember my servant Oliver Granger." (The Nature of Prophets and Prophecy - section titled: Interpreting Prophecy - [bullet 2]

See also Mr. Tvedtnes' response to critic Dick Baer (item 35).

And in a humorous vein: if nothing else, critics themselves provide the means for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to remember Oliver Granger, "from generation to generation," by simply bringing him up again and again.

Answer 3

Oliver Granger was an ex-sheriff who served as the financial agent for the Church and was asked to settle the affairs of the Church in Kirtland, Ohio, after the Saints left that area. I hope that helps.

Answer 4

c remember Oliver Codrey not sure of the spelling but I shall have to look up that reference - in the D&C.... try reading before and after it and maybe looking into other refrences... I believe this was a common phrase used as remembered, meaning to mention in prayer this name.... but I could be mistaken....


then again if it was published in the book it was written and there for all generations to read so the prophecey is true! Whoever has ears let him hear...

Answer 5

mormons still get a bad rap because of their early history as pirates along the east coast. the mormon pirates were ruthless in those days and would waylay any ship they could find, steal the cargo, make the men walk the plank and take the women as 2nd and 3'rd and sometimes even 4th wives.

the continental congress put a stop to that and authorized several warships to capture and rid the world of the evil mormon pirates. after a long chase the mormon pirates were finally defeated and captured.

they were then exiled to utah---that being as far away from the sea as possible back then. they were left alone out there to marry many wives and do whatever it is they do---except for pirating.

i believe oliver granger was the meanest of the mormon pirates.

Answer 6

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;