Religion bashers, I invite you to specifically paste something worse than this:
Quran 18:86 “(Zul-qarnain TRAVELLED till) when he reached the setting of the sun, he FOUND IT set IN A SPRING of murky water: NEAR IT (sun in spring) he found a People” http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/018.qmt.html#018.086
WHO CAN BEAT THAT...I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO MATCH THIS KIND OF STUPIDITY.
This the clearest possible encapsulation of the the MYTH OF THE SUN SETTING INTO THE EARTH.
In Muhammad's time, it was common for men to look at the sun setting in the distance, and without any understanding of space, think that the sun was literally setting into some place or cave or mud pit on earth.
Muslims werent the only people to believe this of course, but what I am pointing out is how PERFECTLY THE QURAN CAPTURES THIS MYTH FROM ITS TIME!
Notice the language. Zul Qarnain is travelling to some place, hes not sitting still and observing, he "REACHES" the place where the SUN SETS "IN".
2006-10-19 07:50:57 · 15 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
the muddy spring. LOOK THIS UP...ALLLLLL TRANSLATIONS USE THE EXACT SAME OR SIMILAR VERBAGE. The only translational variation I have seen is regarding whether the sun set into the mud or the sea.
BUT ITS ALWAYS SETTING "IN"...RIGHT "IN" THE MUDDY SPRING OR OCEAN and Zul Qarnain is TRAVELLING to it...
NOTICE THAT HE "FINDS A PEOPLE THERE". THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMON MYTHOLOGY OF THE DAY THAT BELIEVED SOME MAGICAL PEOPLE EXISTED AT THE PLACE WHERE THE SUN SET INTO THE MUDDY SPRING.
THIS IS PRICELESS STUFF...MYTH OF THE DAY POLARIOD.
2006-10-19 07:54:18 · update #1
Have you read this book and what are your view or answers to the list below from this book?
The Truth About Muhammad
by Robert Spencer
Meet the real Muhammad:
Muhammad's bizarre reaction to his first "revelation": "I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself"
The heretical Christian who convinced Muhammad he was a prophet – and may have taught him his erroneous views of Christianity
Islamic borrowings from Judaism, Christianity, and Zoroastrianism – and Muhammad's enraged replies to charges that he borrowed material rather than received actual divine revelations
The "revelation" that allowed Muhammad to marry his beautiful daughter-in-law
The strange incident in Muhammad's life that makes it virtually impossible to prove rape in Islamic countries today
The real "Satanic Verses" incident (not the Salman Rushdie version): how Muhammad's attempt to win over his opponents ended with his saying he had been inspired not by God, but by Satan
How the Qur'an's teaching on warfare against unbelievers developed – with constant war to establish the hegemony of Islamic law as the last stage
The first year of the Muslim calendar: not when Muhammad was born or became a prophet, but when he became a warlord
How Muhammad used the graphic lure of Islamic Paradise to urge his warriors to fight furiously to extend his rule
"Kill every Jew who comes into your power": why Muhammad became so angry with both Jews and Christians – with disastrous consequences that are still playing out in the world today
The momentous command by Muhammad that led to good being identified with anything that benefited the Muslims, and evil with anything that harmed them --without reference to any larger moral standard
Muhammad's child bride – and the terrible consequences his marriage to a nine-year-old still has in the Islamic world
"This is the caravan of the Quraysh possessing wealth. It is likely that Allah may give it to you as booty": how Muhammad gave divine sanction to the Muslims' bloody raids
"War is deceit": the permission Muhammad gave his followers to lie in order to gain an advantage over their enemies
How Muhammad broke the principal treaty he entered into, again setting a pattern for Muslim states thereafter
Muhammad's commands to his followers to wage perpetual war against non-Muslims, including Jews and Christians
Muhammad on women's rights: women "are prisoners with you having no control of their persons"
"If justice is not to be found with me then where will you find it?" Why Muhammad still stands for Muslims as the supreme model for human behavior
"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula, and will not leave any but Muslims" – and other statements by Muhammad that contemporary jihadists take very seriously
Islamic tolerance? The onerous tax burden and other discriminatory regulations mandated for non-Muslims under Islamic law
How Muhammad ordered the killing of apostates from Islam
The massacre of a Jewish tribe by Muhammad that was invoked by modern-day jihadists at the beginning of Israel's July 2006 operations against Hizballah in Lebanon
"Embrace Islam, and your lives and property will be safe": Muhammad's threatening letters to the rulers of the lands around Arabia
Muhammad's frequent avowals that the Muslims would overcome the empires bordering on Arabia and one day stand as masters of the world
"I have been made victorious with terror" – and other statements of Muhammad on his deathbed
Six steps that American leaders can and must take in order to protect our nation from Islamic jihad terrorism
2006-10-20 07:03:17 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
Chapter No.18, Verse No.86, that… ‘Zulqarnain sees the sun setting in murky water… in turbid water - Imagine sun setting in murky water… "unscientific".’ The Arabic word used here is… it is 'wajada' meaning, ‘it appeared to Zulqarnain.’ And i believe you, Steve, do not have any knowledge of Arabic whatsoever. So 'wajada' means - if you look it up in the dictionary , it means 'it appeared.’ So Allah (S.W.T) is describing what appeared to Zulqarnain. If I make a statement that… ‘The student in the class said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5.’ And you say… ‘Oh He (Khan) said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5. Ofcourse I did not say that. I stated…‘The student in the class said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5.’ I am not wrong - The student is wrong. There are various ways to try and analyze this verse. One is this way - according to Muhammad Asad, that 'wajada' means… ‘It appeared to’… ‘It appeared to Zulqarnain.’ Point no.2 - The Arabic word used is 'Magrib' - It can be used for time, as well as place. When we say ‘sunset’ – ‘sunset’ can be taken for time. If I say… ‘The sun sets at 7 p.m.’; I am using it for time. If I say… ‘The ‘Sun sets in the West’, it means I am taking it for place. So here if we use the word 'Magrib' for time. So Zulqarnain did not reach that place of sunset - used - as time - He reached at the time of sun set. The problem is solved. Further more, you can solve them in various ways. Even if you say… ‘No No, the basic assumption is too much - It is not… ‘Appeared to’… it is actually this.’ Let us analyze it further. The Qur'anic verse says… the Sun set in murky water.’ Now we know, when we use these words, like ‘sunrise’ and ‘sunset’ - does the sunrise? Scientifically, sun does not rise - neither does the sunset. We know scientifically, that the sun does not set at all. It is the rotation of the earth, which gives rise to sunrise and sunset. But yet you read in the everyday papers mentioning, sunrise at 6 a.m. sun sets at 7.00 p.m. Oh! The newspapers are wrong – Unscientific!’ If I use the word ‘Disaster’, Oh! There is a disaster’ – ‘Disaster’ means there is some calamity which has taken place. Literally, ‘disaster’ means ‘an evil star.’ So when I say… ‘This disaster’ every one knows what I mean is ‘a calamity’, not about the evil star.’ You and I know, when a person who is crazy, we call him a lunatic - Yes or no? At least I do, and I believe You do too . We call a person ‘a lunatic’ – He is ‘mad' or 'crazy.’ What is the meaning of ‘lunatic’? It means… ‘struck by the moon’ - But that is how the language has evolved. Similarly sun rise, is actually, it is just a usage of words. And Allah has given the guidance for the human beings also - He uses so, that we understand. So it is just ‘sunset’ - Not that it is actually setting - Not that sun is actually rising. So this explanation clearly gives us a clear picture, that the Verse of the Qur’an of Surah Kahf, Chapter.18, Verse No 86, is not in contradiction with established science - That is the way how people speak.
And by the way dont jump to baseless conculsions without any knowledge of the topic and be more respectful with your questions.
Peace...
2006-10-19 08:25:37 · answer #2 · answered by DrAkE 2 · 3⤊ 2⤋
In the Torah (which knocks down Judism, Christianity, and Islam all at once), the so-called Creator of All Things...
Knower of all things...
Who should know every single detail of every single thing he created...
Declares the bat to be unkosher because it is an unclean bird.
2006-10-19 07:54:59 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 5⤊ 0⤋
Hahaha, I love the guy over there saying "Praise Allah for giving me another victory....!"
Hahaha, he sounds like the Iraqi Information Minister, telling everyone there were no American soldiers in Iraq. Ah, Islam, if you weren't so bloodthirsty, I would adore your infantilism...
But a lovely point, Steve. Hopefully it will instill some sort of sense into a couple folks.
2006-10-19 08:03:18 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
If I were a religion-believing nut like you, I'd pray that you stepped into the path of a Mack truck. You don't think before you post this stuff, do you, flat Earth believer????
2006-10-19 08:05:02 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
I dont know what do you want exactly?
If you don't believe in Islam nor the Quran, drop the subject, and get a life....If Islam is bothering you that much, don't thinnk about it
"Allah is in no need for the whole world" a Verse of the Holy Quran
2006-10-19 07:56:10 · answer #6 · answered by AG 4 · 3⤊ 5⤋
How about "In the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth"
and pretty much everything that follows after that bit.
2006-10-19 07:54:21 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 1⤋
Get over it...
Even you are a paradox.
Allow others/other things to be the same.
You will find nothing on this earth that is "perfect"...that is the beauty of this world/people/things.
2006-10-19 08:02:51 · answer #8 · answered by I I 3 · 1⤊ 3⤋
are you on a mission to discredit a religion, or convert those to your belief system? is it difficult living a life consumed by hatred - so much so that you haven't the ability for self reflection?
2006-10-19 08:08:02 · answer #9 · answered by DEP 3 · 2⤊ 3⤋
You are merely insulting Islam. It's anti-Muslims like you that make jihad all the more worthwhile.
2006-10-19 07:53:57 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 3⤋