Is this law Bush signed something that a Christian would do?

Question

I'll post a link to an article about it, but for those who don't like to follow links, here's the main point of the law:

"It allows the government to seize individuals on American soil and detain them indefinitely with no opportunity to challenge their detention in court. And the new law would permit an individual to be convicted on the basis of coerced testimony and even allow someone convicted under these rules to be put to death."

They claim that this law will only be used to persecute terrorists, but when you get right down to it, what's stopping them from deciding that an American citizen who simply opposes the war is a terrorist? They wouldn't even have to tell you why.

How does the signing of this law mesh with Bush's claim to be a "good Christian?" Why do American Christians stand by while the rights they claim are God given are taken away?

Who, exactly, is the terrorist here? Because I tell you what, I'm terrified, and it's not of Muslims, Iraq, or Iran.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061018/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_terrorism;_ylt=AuqcV_DmQzOzGyZRqpHVSpcDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBhZDhxNDFzBHNlYwNtZW5ld3M-

Here's an article.

Richard G, you seem to miss my point. I do believe in the seperation of Church and State, but the thing is, Mr Bush says he is a Christian. Is it too much for me to expect that he act like a Christian is supposed to act?

Rebecca L, yes I do, but I don't believe that taking rights away from American citizens and putting them in danger from their own government is the way to protect ourselves.

Grandma Susie, I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope you stick to your guns and still think it's "for the good of our country" if they decide you're a national threat and pull you from your home to face imprisonment, no trial, and the possibility of torture. You realize they can do that now, right?

wisdom, once again you fail to show any.

Chelal, I did not imply that I hated Christians because of Bush. I said that I did not think Bush was being very Christian like. But since you think I'm a terrorist and should be locked up, I see you share Bush's views.

Answer 1

The fact that you want to bash All Christians because you hate their beliefs is sick and twisted on ur part. Not all believers are for Bush and his agendas. You need to get off ur soap box and Do Something for ur country or move somewhere else. Be mature and Stop complaining! People like you should be considered a terrorist and locked up!

Shalom

Answer 2

Hon, I am a follower of Christ's teachings and I assure you that I am not a straight ticket Republican. I am certainly not a die-hard Bush fan either.

Your observations of the natural course of "cause and effect" as it relates to all of the Bush administrations modifications to our nation seem spot on.

I was horrified when I heard Bush say, "If you are not for us, then you are against us." I knew at that very moment that our Professed Christian in office was serving his own agenda and not that of Christ's.

This new law affords Bush (And any future President---so vote wisely) the opportunity to take to a new level, that famous quote of his in that if anyone voices an opposing opinion, no matter how great or how small... They can now be whisked away and never heard of again.

We are in the end of the end times. May God grant us grace with which to stand for the right and not be merely followers of those who profess rightness.

Answer 3

Is a Bush Christian or a "man of God" as so many claim?

If it is Biblically acceptable to murder/kill, as many "Christians" claim, how do they then justify that belief in light of the following:

The New Testament clearly documents the occasion where Christ was betrayed in the garden by Judas, who lead the Roman troops to Jesus. One of the disciples then proceeded to cut off the ear of one of the Roman soldiers.

What did Jesus (the Christ whom "Christians" claim to follow) do? He picked up the mans severed ear and healed him. He also admonished his disciples to "turn the other cheek" (albeit on another occasion).

Now in light of this example set by Christ (an example Christians should follow - IF they are truly followers of Christ) ask yourself the following question:

Who Would Jesus Bomb? Who Would Jesus Rape? Who Would Jesus Kill? Would Jesus Lie? Who Would Jesus Blow Up?

It doesn't make you a communist or Anti-American if you do not agree with Bush. The people who accuse you of that are confusing dissent with disloyalty. People who insinuate that you are a communist or Anti-American merely echo the sentiments of two of the following men, one who is as an un-American as you can get and the other as evil as what you can get. I do not equate people who speak similarly as being like them but it is scary that the very ideas expressed by these two men can so easily form part of our thought processes and speech in this day. The comments and the men I refer too are below:

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Wilhelm Göring, during his trial in Nuremberg

The reason why we find ourselves in a position of impotency is not because the enemy has sent men to invade our shores, but rather because of the traitorous actions of those who have had all the benefits that the wealthiest nation on earth has had to offer - the finest homes, the finest college educations, and the finest jobs in Government we can give. - Joseph McCarthy, speech at Wheeling (9th February, 1950) speaking about citizens of the USA.

We cannot allow this type of thinking to become part of our thoughts, speech and actions. If we do we will be relegated to the same place in history both these men were.

Beware!

Answer 4

This law has nothing to do with Christianity.
It has come about from terrorism and threats.
You are making it a Christian issue. That is not a fair analogy.

I would be more inclined to worry about the "Berlin Wall" that is going up around the US.
Stopping people from coming in was the reason for Russia splitting Germany.
It was also used to keep them in, no matter what.

Answer 5

I don't like losing rights, for anyone. But the point is that congress had to make the law in the first place, as a President can't. Also the President can veto and congress can override it. So the problem also has to do with congress, as this would have taken a majority to do it. The only way for a president to skirt this is by executive order, which this isn't.

Answer 6

Very astute question. and as you already know, the answer is no.

Those doing Satan's work will say otherwise, but it is the Devil's bill, no Christian or secular humanist either for that matter, would have authored, voted for or signed it.

I hear that the State of Connecticut has put up billboards listing all who voted for torture, and they have already been told that that is an act comforting terrorists.

Many a despot has shamelessly used people to gain power, then destroyed them so the could never oppose them. That may well be the position Bush is in at the moment.

Answer 7

Yes, if you're a Christian that backs up the ideas that were around during the Inquisitions.

A book recently came out, written by one of the men in Bush's "Faith-Based" Admin (is that allowed in our gov't?)... he claims that Bush uses the whole "Faith" front in order to gain the support he needs from the American people... yet most of his admin. laughs at how gullible people are, that they fall for the "Christian" set up and fall right in with their support without actually knowing what it is they support.

Answer 8

If he is a bible-believing Christian, his conduct should reflect his beliefs, whether in the office or at home. America is supposedly a country that believes someone is innocent until proven guilty, but this is contradicted by this new law, where apparently any random person can be incarcerated for no better reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Answer 9

AAAUUUUGGGGHHH!!!!! Ye Gods and Little Fishes, we've truely become the Soviet Union. No, it's not Christian and it's not good for any of us. Yes it might...might, mind you...be good for the terrorists but there's a very very fine line between a terrorist and a Democrat right now. Forgive the scream.

Answer 10

Wow, JackD's answer is downright scary -- we're only supposed to protect the "faithful?" Read your constitution -- we're supposed to protect EVERYONE in the country, there's no requirement that they be religious or not, faithful or not.
The question is a valid one, especially since W on several occasions has claimed to be "led by god" in his actions. If he's not lying, then god has led him to break the law, violate the constitution, torture people, kill innocent civilians...
Sounds very much like the vengeful god of the old testament, not the forgiving nature of jesus in the new testament.

Our country is supposed to stand for liberty, justice, due process, democracy...when we abandon those principles and demonstrate to the world that we're perfectly willing to throw out our ideals in the name of "security" (or politics), then we're no better than the terrorists. Then the ideals mean nothing, and we've abandoned the principles our country was built on, and for which thousands of our people have died since our country was established.