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Does that mean then that all the true Christians converted during Jesus's time are the only ones that will get to heaven then under this claim? Why bother then??? Why did Peter then say that the promise of being saved was not just for the people standing there that he was talking to but for even their children and for those who are far away and would hear the message too? (Acts 2:38)

2006-10-18 09:41:54 · 17 answers · asked by Light 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

17 answers

This is a Jehovahs Wittness belief, not a Christian belief. They have misintrepeted the Word

2006-10-18 09:45:02 · answer #1 · answered by Dr. Linder 4 · 3 0

hahahahahaha. I didn't say that. BUT....

I have exciting and bad news both for a Jehovah witness. Bummer.

He talks about a Pre-tribulation Rapture and the Tribulation is that seven-year period of judgment on earth – Revelation chapters 6 to 18 – because we go up in chapter 4 and it only begins in chapter 6. We call it a pre-tribulation Rapture and the Rapture is I Thessalonians 4 verses 16 to 18, when the dead in Christ rise and the living go up with them to meet the Lord in the air and all in the twinkling of an eye, I Corinthians 15:52.
However, during the seven-year period of Tribulation, the greatest revival in history occurs as 144,000 evangelists swarm the world in Revelation 7 verses 4 to 8, and they are preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom – Matthew 24:14. The King is coming and a multitude like the sands of the sea, Revelation 7:9, is converted and verse 14 says, “They came out of the Great Tribulation and washed their robes, made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Because of it, death comes to those new converts during that seven-year period in Revelation 6:9, 13:50 and Revelation 20 verse 4. Now Christ comes back with His saints, Jude 14, and Daniel 12:2 - the Old Testament Jews are raised and at that point, all those who died during the Tribulation are also raised. I hope that answers your question.

You see who the 144,000 is?

hahahhahahaa. wow.

Great Q*.
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2006-10-18 16:48:20 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 4 0

The bible says that those who go to heaven will be kings and priests and will rule over the earth.Revelation 5:10
So if they are to rule over the earh their has to be someone on the earth. Adam was not made to die! He was suposed to be obedient and live forever. This earth was made for people and it is my hope to live forever on the earth. Psalms 37:9,10,11
Matthew 5:5 Jesus said, "The meek will inherit the earth"
so some will rule with christ in heaven and a great crowd will live here on the earth.

2006-10-18 21:48:50 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

My Bible doesn't say that...mine says that God has sealed 144, 000 or will redeem them who will acknowledge Jesus..... they are Jews who will prophecy during the end times...and had salvation been made for only 144,000 then what exactly is the point of John 3 :16 my Bible doesn't say that God so loved the 144, 000 ....mine says that He so loved the world? or Matthew 11 :28-30? it says "come unto me all ye that labor...it doesn't say come unto Me you 144,000? .and that verse is found in Revelations ...7 :3 about the 144,0000...think you might be taking that out of context ....and it also doesn't say our sins are forgiven 10 % or 99% it says they are all forgiven...

2006-10-18 22:11:27 · answer #4 · answered by appleblossom_1957 2 · 0 0

I used to think that meant the elite, those closest to God. Now
with the amount of people on Q/A mocking God, I think the number is too large.It is no wonder the Holy Bible says Hell keeps expanding !

2006-10-18 18:08:03 · answer #5 · answered by gwhiz1052 7 · 0 0

That's not a Christian belief.

The number 144,00 being ascribed (not applicable word?) to Heaven and saints is biblical, however. In Revelation it talks about 144,00 in Heaven. I think it is mainly a Jehovah's Witnesses belief (I've been told, though, that they have backed off of this belief).

2006-10-18 16:44:47 · answer #6 · answered by sarcrl 2 · 2 1

The 144,000 are of the tribes of Israel who are sealed. The ones through Jesus Christ of the nations is in Revelations 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne , and before the Lamb clothed with white robes; and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice saying, Salvation to our God who sits upon the Throne and unto the Lamb.

Those who are saved are those redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb. It is a countless number from all nations.

2006-10-18 16:52:15 · answer #7 · answered by t a m i l 6 · 1 4

I found this for you, I hope it helps, the bible shows that heaven is not the destiny of all gaining salvation, but the vast majority will live forever on earth.

Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses take the number 144,000 mentioned in the book of Revelation literally and not symbolically?

The apostle John wrote: “I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand.” (Revelation 7:4) In the Bible, the phrase “those who were sealed” refers to a group of individuals who are chosen from among mankind to rule with Christ in heaven over the coming Paradise earth. (2 Corinthians 1:21, 22; Revelation 5:9, 10; 20:6) Their number, 144,000, is understood literally for several reasons. One is found in the immediate context of Revelation 7:4.

After the apostle John was told in vision about this group of 144,000 individuals, he was shown another group. John describes this second group as “a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues.” This great crowd refers to those who will survive the coming “great tribulation,” which will destroy the present wicked world.—Revelation 7:9, 14.

Note, however, the contrast that John draws between verses 4 and 9 of Revelation chapter 7. He states that the first group, “those who were sealed,” has a definite number. However, the second group, “a great crowd,” is without a definite number. With that in mind, it is logical to take the number 144,000 to be literal. If the number 144,000 were symbolic and referred to a group that is actually numberless, the force of the contrast between those two verses would be lost. Thus, the context strongly indicates that the number 144,000 must be taken literally.

Various Bible scholars, past and present, reached the same conclusion—that is, the number is literal. For instance, in commenting on Revelation 7:4, 9, British lexicographer Dr. Ethelbert W. Bullinger observed some 100 years ago: “It is the simple statement of fact: a definite number in contrast with the indefinite number in this very chapter.” (The Apocalypse or “The Day of the Lord,” page 282) More recently, Robert L. Thomas, Jr., professor of New Testament at The Master’s Seminary in the United States, wrote: “The case for symbolism is exegetically weak.” He added: “It is a definite number [at 7:4] in contrast with the indefinite number of 7:9. If it is taken symbolically, no number in the book can be taken literally.”—Revelation: An Exegetical Commentary, Volume 1, page 474.

Some argue that since Revelation contains highly symbolic language, all numbers found in this book, including the number 144,000, must be symbolic. (Revelation 1:1, 4; 2:10) That conclusion, though, is clearly not correct. Granted, Revelation contains numerous symbolic numbers, but it also includes literal numbers. For instance, John speaks of “the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” (Revelation 21:14) Clearly, the number 12 mentioned in this verse is literal, not symbolic. Further, the apostle John writes about “the thousand years” of Christ’s reign. That number is also to be taken literally, as a careful consideration of the Bible shows. (Revelation 20:3, 5-7) Hence, whether a number in Revelation is to be taken literally or symbolically depends on its background and setting.

The conclusion that the number 144,000 is literal and refers to a limited number of individuals, a relatively small group when compared with the “great crowd,” also harmonizes with other Bible passages. For instance, later in the vision that the apostle John receives, the 144,000 are described as those who “were bought from among mankind as firstfruits.” (Revelation 14:1, 4) The expression “firstfruits” refers to a small representative selection. Also, while Jesus was on earth, he spoke about those who will rule with him in his heavenly Kingdom and called them a “little flock.” (Luke 12:32; 22:29) Indeed, those from among mankind who will rule in heaven are few in comparison with those of mankind who will inhabit the coming Paradise earth.

Hence, the context of Revelation 7:4 and related statements found elsewhere in the Bible bear out that the number 144,000 is to be taken literally. It refers to those who will rule in heaven with Christ over a paradise earth, which will be filled with a large and undetermined number of happy people who worship Jehovah God.—Psalm 37:29.

2006-10-18 17:42:31 · answer #8 · answered by Frax 4 · 0 3

Yes, only 144,000 chosen go to heaven, they are the ones who are anointed with Holy spirit chosen by God to serve as priests and as associate kings with Jesus Christ and they will rule over the earth, these ones, mainly Jewish for it started with them, come from all peoples, nations, and tongues. They have been bought from the earth just for this purpose. The rest of righteous mankind who accept Jesus' ransom sacrifice and his rule and do the will of God will reside forever on a restored paradise earth with everlasting life. Jesus' sacrifice, covers all who accept it, it's just that there are two classes of those saved as explained by Jesus when he said; have no fear little flock(144,000) for the Father has approved of giving you the kingdom and I have other sheep NOT OF THIS FOLD(unnumbered) that also must be brought in union(must also accept Jesus' sacrifice).

2006-10-18 16:46:36 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 5

Acts is about baptism. Did you mean revelation?

2006-10-18 16:46:16 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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