Creation v. Evolution - Yet Again.?

Question

I'm watching the Colbert Report last night and Stephen has Richard Dawkins, author of “The God Delusion” on as his guest. Dawkins is a fascinating man with a lot of excellent points on how life began and developed on this planet. So much so that I plan to buy his book. But...

When the interview ended, I turned to my husband and said, "Yeah but, where did the materials that made up our universe come from?"

As Shakespeare would say, "Aye, there's the rub."

You can look at every creation myth from every culture since the dawn of human life, including the creation myth of Genesis, and come away from it knowing that it's myth. Not real. A fanciful story attempting to explain the origin of earth and life on earth. This understanding is due to our scientific advancement. But...

Evolution cannot explain the origin of the materials necessary to create the universe. Where did they come from?

Discuss. I'm very interested to hear your thoughts.

Answer 1

It was there as dark matter. compressed into solid matter. So tight there was really room for "nothing"

those are all just opinions though. My real answer is "I don't know" which proves nothing either way, and I'm comfortable with it. I don't find comfort in swapping out "I don't know" for "god did it" That has been done for years on many subjects, until we find the truth.

conveniently enough religion states up front that you can't understand where god came from, so do not try. So you still have "I don't know" in there, but it's OK now some how.

I bought the book too this morning by the way.

Answer 2

Well, first of all, evolutionists don't claim to, or need to, explain the origin of materials; they are only concerned with the biosphere.

But more importantly, evolutionists are clever at concealing the fact that they don't KNOW the origins of life either. They have a number of hypotheses, none of which have been proven, and several which have been proven wrong.

One of the chief examples of the fallacy of evolution come from their primary source -- the fossil record. If the evolutionist's theories were the way life started, then there should be only simple life-forms or even pseudo-life-forms in the lowest strata of the fossil record. However, what is found is fully developed and complex life-forms there. There is no strata of a development era!

For the material origins, you have to turn to physicists. But even they can't quite get their theories to explain the origins of matter. The best they can do is regress the universe to within a fraction of a second of the originating big bang. That's because the nearer you get to the origin the fewer physical laws are still intact. And if you take that line of reasoning to its conclusion, you will realize that the physical laws could not have originated from the universe itself, but were applied to it from some outside force. Some physicists, who don't want to assert a creator, will hide this fact too.

Answer 3

Evolution doesn't attempt to explain the creation of the Universe. Evolution requires life. It's just the mechanism that adapts life to the present environment.

I have no idea what preceded Big Bang, and to me it's just a philosophical question that I'll never find an answer to. I imagine reality is a multidimensional 'multiverse', infinite in space and time, where our universe is a temporary creation that was the result of two branes coming into contact with each other. It's not a satisfying answer, but neither is any religious answer.

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Righton: You are correct, you don't really understand Evolution. Nothing evolves 'to be the most advanced of their respective species'. Whatever lives, thrives. Whatever dies, gets eaten (evolutionary dead end). The cockroach is very succesful in that regard, yet it is an utterly simple creature. Humans are not always the dominant species; there were no humans to challenge the dinosaurs, for instance.

Evolution says nothing about God. It doesn't say whether he exists or not.

Answer 4

We don't know. However, that lends absolutely no credence whatsoever to man's earliest recorded theory... "God did it."

Now THAT is the rub.

And it's the only thing I can say to anyone that attempts to argue that point as being some sort of evidence for god.

There very well may be a god. But that is certainly the absolute LAST theory one should consider, if you want to go by what is most likely, and/or what has the most evidence to support it.

Once again... the concept of "God did it" is simply one of our oldest scientific theories. And the stories of the god of Abraham, have been proven false. So if you want to talk about god and creationism, you may as well go ahead and leave that one out of the mix.

If you you want to talk about a more universal and less repugnant version of a god, that has not been disproven, then feel free to do so. I don't think even an atheist will argue that it's a possibility. It's simply highly unlikely.

Answer 5

Evolution is not about the creation. Evolution is the process by which life evolved (changed over time) to become the life we have on this planet today.

You are talking about "The Beginning". "Big Bang" or whatever you want to call it. My guess is that what the universe is...is eternal...and that it goes in cycles...and the material always was here. Our cycle resulted in the compacting of all the material to a point that the energy attained critical mass and it blew...we are on the outward expansion of that blast at this time. It will continue expanding until some cosmic force causes it to again fold in upon itself. Probably some giant black hole or something.

Answer 6

There is a hidden and questionable assumption in the question. When people ask where things come from they are attempting to describe a reality in terms they understand, but which may not be appropriate, or even sensical.
For example, we ask: "Where did this chair come from?" Our assumption is that at one point the chair didn't "exist" and through some process came into being. But is that really the case? Isn't it more the case the the chair was assembled from existing materials? In fact, has any human actually experienced "creation" of any sort? My point is we think we know what we're talking about when we say: "Everything had to come from somewhere." But based on what?

Answer 7

Evolution does not explain about the origins of the material of the universe because it is not ABOUT the origins of the materials of the universe. It is about biology: the process by which life forms change over time. If you want theories abolut the origin of space and matter, take an astronomy course.

The Big Bang theory in not a part of evolution, it is part of astronomy. Try looking in the right place for your answers.

Answer 8

I have read a lot of stuff on this subject. I find that evolutionists don't like you to question what they tell you. They may disagree strongly with each other and yet don't want you to use this agreement as any sign that evolution could possibly be a flawed and incomplete study and in fact inaccurate theory. I've heard comments about educated dissenters such as, " He is ignorant." " He is not an Evolutionists so his views are irrelevant." But truth ain't always neat and tidy. We make progress when we don't assume we have all the answers. Otherwise we don't need to keep looking for answers.
For open minded persons I can recommend two books I found enlightening. Darwin's Black Box by Michael J. Behe, and
Life—How Did It Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation? (1985) by Jehovah's Witnesses. Both books are largely attacked by the scientific community - but they make really good points for people who want to see more that one side of the issue.

Answer 9

1.) Evolution deals not with the development of the universe, but with the advancement of life.
2.) If you want an actual answer to this you should put it on the science board.
3.) There are some things which science cannot yet explain. A lack of explanation is not the same thing as "goddidit."

Answer 10

since today, science hasn't answered everyhing we have a question for -- the mindless religious demand that the answer must be "god" and, it's because the buy-bull says so.

sorry, but i don't fall for the script put forth by the mindless.

it amazes me that because all the questions about the universe aren't answered RIGHT NOW, TODAY, then the answer must be a cult book -- something that spurns more hate, killing and warring than anything else in our world history.

yet, when it comes to a cult belief, like bible, it's ok to say this:
"but what created God"
"oh, God has always been here, forever"

Oh, ok.

You can't say that about the building blocks of universal evolution, but you can give an easy answer like that about god or jeebus, and it's ok... LOL... alrighty then!!

And ONCE AGAIN! NO!!!! Darwin did NOT have a deathbed conversion to ANYTHING. READ HISTORY rather than parrot mindless cult garbage based on your low self-esteem and your lame need for intelligent people and scientists to be cultists like yourself.

Using the bible to prove the bible is the ultimate in showing a lack of intelligence and lack of any ability to reason.