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They both profess to follow god, when did they split up?

2006-10-18 04:06:35 · 10 answers · asked by Jim G 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Ishmael and Isaac!

It all began while SARAH and ABRAHAM were hoping to be blessed with a child. God promised them a child (IN GOD'S TIME), but Sarah couldn't wait. She decided to take matters into her own hands and in so doing, she sparked horror for generations to come... THE NATION OF ISLAM!
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Ishmael was not God's chosen for Sarah and Abraham since he was only born owing to Sarah's sin. She would not wait on God's timing for the Son God planned for her and Abraham (That son being Isaac who Sarah would eventually bear on her own).

Sarah, desperate for a child to call her own, asked her handmaid, Hagar to lie with her husband Abraham and bear a child and give it over to Sarah so she could call it her own. This did happen and Hagar had a son that Abraham called, ISHMAEL.

Hagar was, you could say, one of the earliest recorded surrogate mothers.

There was bitterness from Hagar and Jealousy from Sarah that spilled over into the tribe especially when Sarah and Abraham did eventually bear their own child AS GOD HAD PROMISED AND HAD INTENDED. (That son being ISAAC).

Ishmael and Hagar (His birth mother) were eventually cast out of Abraham's clan because Ishmael (Hagar’s birth son) had a fighting spirit and Sarah convinced Abraham that Hagar and Ishmael would kill Isaac to steal his GOD-GIVEN birthright as the TRUE son of Abraham and Sarah.

Ishmael eventually got married and became the father of the now nations of Islam, who are still fighting to this day for what he (They) consider their birthright to nation of Israel).

Israel belongs to the descendants of Isaac, not Ishmael. The God of Abraham says so. Please read the book of Genesis and may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless you with eyes to see, ears to hear and lips to speak the truth.

NOTE for any who missed this:

God did still "Bless Ishmael" with many nations just as He did bless Abraham, through his intended heirs, Isaac and Jacob.

The thing is, the nations that Ishmael was blessed with used their free will and continued to HANG ONTO ISHAMEL'S "Fighting Spirit", thus becoming the hate-filled nations of Islam that the world battles with today.

Isaac's generations were the intended generations that now struggle to maintain their birthright owing to their mother's and father's original sin of having not waited on God's timing in the first place.

There is no spin. Ishmael was blessed. What Ishmael and his descendants did with that blessing was up to them owing to their God-given free will.

2006-10-18 04:10:31 · answer #1 · answered by NONAME 4 · 0 0

Lots of difference. One man is responsible for the Koran plus one alleged angel. The hebrew scriptures were God breathed with the God of angels and various angels assisting in the stories of the scriptures. The later prophet and the writings make claims that do not agree with hebrew scriptures. Some claims are the same but have a different twist. The muslims claim many varifications of modern science and the Koran agree.So does the hebrew scriptures. The character of the Hebrew God is at varience with the muslim God. Where hebrew scriptures shine above the Koran is in the many prophesies that have been fulfilled and are being fulfilled this very day and others remaining to be fulfilled. There are 365 prophesies of the coming messiah that have been fulfilled and some future. The strongest difference between the two are free will on one side with the messiah achieving world domination and the other leaving its adherents to achieve world domination.

THE TWO FAITHS WERE NEVER TOGETHER AND HAVE BEEN AT VARIENCE WITH ONE ANOTHER EVER SINCE ISLAM BECAME A FAITH

2006-10-18 04:43:59 · answer #2 · answered by rapturefuture 7 · 1 0

Some might say the difference was in the beginning. Sarah in her desperation to have a child gave her virgin maid to her husband. Abraham did not abstain from her and got her child. Eventually, Sarah made Abraham cast out Hagar and Ishmael. Interestingly enough in the Old Testament, you find that Hagar speaks with God He promises to keep her safe and the child safe. In the Quran there is a different account of Abraham taking Hagar and Ishmael to what is now Mecca and leaving them there to flourish. Muslims believe Abraham did not desert them but often visited them and built with Ishmael the foundings of the Mecca. If you are a person of faith, then you would know that God doesn't make mistakes. He could have easily killed the child Ishmael in her womb as he did to David's and Bathsheba's child before Solomon.

The great difference is that Muslims believe that Jesus (PBUH) is the messiah, and that Muhammad (PBUH) is his last prophet. Jews do not believe in Jesus as the messiah nor of Muhammad.

Many of the laws are the same by both faiths, even to what is acceptable to eat, etc.

2006-10-18 04:32:46 · answer #3 · answered by Neelumiu 3 · 0 0

The Muslim faith, while purporting to have an affinity with other faiths of the Book (Judaism and Christianity) has in fact distorted the whole picture. In the Old Testament God's promise is fulfilled through Isaac, the free son of Abraham. According to the Koran, it was Ishmael who was nearly sacrificed by Abraham when he showed his total obedience to God, it was Ishmael whose line was important for the fulfilment of the covenant. The Jews, along with Christians, believe in the Covenant made between God and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Time Line of the story as told in the Koran (Qur'an) and the Islamic Commentaries:
Before Ismael is weaned, Abraham takes the child and his mother to Mecca and leaves them there assuming that God (Allah) would take care of them.
Abraham has a dream that tells him to sacrifice his only son, but before he can do so, God stops him.
Later Abraham takes various trips back to Mecca to find out how Ishmael is doing and he builds, with Ismael's help, a "House of pilgrimage for men" devoted to Allah.

When the story is as distorted as that, how can there be any rapprochement between the two religions?

2006-10-18 07:07:12 · answer #4 · answered by Doethineb 7 · 0 0

The Muslims and the Jews never did split up, since they were never one movement. Judaism is much older than Islam, and quite different.
Judaism came first, then Christianity, and then Islam.
The only two things that Judaism and Islam share is the belief in the one God who is indeed one (no holy trinity here), and the prohibition against eating pork.

2006-10-18 05:41:41 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

They didn't split up during the time of Isaac and Ishmael. It was around the 7th centry AD that Muhammed made his religion up out of elements of Judaism, Christianity, and allah-moon god worship. Jews and Christians worship Jaweh or Jehova, Muslims worship Allah, a former local moon god. Different name, not the same God.

2006-10-18 04:30:37 · answer #6 · answered by af490 3 · 0 1

Both trace their heritage back to Abraham; the Jews through Isaac, the Muslims through Ishmael.

2006-10-18 04:21:39 · answer #7 · answered by jefferyspringer57@sbcglobal.net 7 · 0 0

Jews follow the lineage of Isaac, Muslims, his illegitimate older half brother Ishmael. They can't get that illegitimacy takes you out of the will

2006-10-18 04:10:48 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

Muslims accept all of Allah's Prophets, the Jews rejected and killed many

'O Children of Israel! Remember My Favour which I bestowed upon you and that I preferred you to the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns) (of your time period, in the past).
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And fear a Day (of Judgement) when a person shall not avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from him nor will compensation be taken from him nor will they be helped.
49:
And (remember) when We delivered you from Fir'aun's (Pharaoh) people, who were afflicting you with a horrible torment, killing your sons and sparing your women, and therein was a mighty trial from your Lord.' (Qur'an 3:47-49)

2006-10-18 04:08:50 · answer #9 · answered by abdulaziiz 3 · 2 4

They both worship something that doesn`t exist and reserve the right to kill each other over it.

2006-10-18 04:11:00 · answer #10 · answered by Christ 3 · 1 1

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