one of my christian friends says that jesus was with god when the world was being created. Do any of you agree? Does genesis chapter refer to god in the plural sense? I am curiious.
2006-10-17 19:27:09 · 23 answers · asked by Atheist Eye Candy 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
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2006-10-17 19:30:56 · update #1
no, genesis does not refer to G-d in the plural sense. the bible never refers to G-d in the plural sense, because the most important and uncompromising article of faith of hebrew religion was that G-d is one, and indivisible.
EDIT
"Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image"
i'm just gonna copy and paste this answer, since i'm too lazy to write it out:
"Our sages teach us that when G-d created Man, he was concerned that the angels would be jealous, for Man is the only creation like them who understands right from wrong. So G-d consulted with the angels before creating Man and said, "Let us make Man." The lesson from this is that one should always seek advice, even from those who are inferior to you.
The next verse immediately says (in singular form) "And G-d created Man..."
2006-10-17 19:30:33 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
If you mean the physical man, no he wasn't sitting along side on some mystical throne. If you believe in the trinity, then "He" was with God, as was the Holy Spirit, because all three are part of God, but also separate entities.
I am not educated well enough to explain this better than that. It is something we accept on faith, but the theory is backed up in other places in the Bible than in Genesis. God is never referred to in the plural sense.
So much of this are faith issues. You, of course have the right to only believe what you can prove. Little of the Bible, New or Old Testament can be proved, and is taken on faith.
If you feel there must be more, or have a need for their to be more, all you can do is open your heart and mind, see what happens. If nothing ever happens, you cannot force yourself to believe and have faith in a religion.
Consider what it would be like to be an Agnostic, though; intellectually a safer position I think, but you are you. Good luck.
2006-10-18 02:43:38 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
Yes Jesus created the world under the direction of Heavenly Father. The we is definately a plural. As Job says, all the sons of God shouted with joy.
2006-10-18 03:07:28 · answer #3 · answered by Isolde 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Christians do believe that the "Son" (a "person" of the one God) was pre-existent with the "Father" (another person of the one God, prominently identified with the creation). It is a necessary condition for believing that Jesus is both God and human, as Christians do, because God cannot have been created. Christians tend to rely on the verses in Genesis 1 and 2 wherein God refers to "us", as well as parts of the book of Wisdom in which "Wisdom" is personified, dancing before God during creation. Of course non-Christians do not have to believe any of this.
2006-10-18 03:01:43 · answer #4 · answered by skepsis 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The person who became known as Jesus Christ did not begin life here on earth. He himself spoke of his prehuman heavenly life. (John 3:13; 6:38, 62; 8:23, 42, 58) John 1:1, 2 gives the heavenly name of the one who became Jesus, saying: “In the beginning the Word [Gr., Lo´gos] was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god [“was divine,” AT; Mo; or “of divine being,” Böhmer; Stage (both German)]. This one was in the beginning with God.” Since Jehovah is eternal and had no beginning (Psalms 90:2; Revelation 15:3), the Word’s being with God from “the beginning” must here refer to the beginning of Jehovah’s creative works. This is confirmed by other texts identifying Jesus as “the firstborn of all creation,” “the beginning of the creation by God.” (Colosians 1:15; Revelation 1:1; 3:14) Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God’s first creation, his firstborn Son.
Logically, it was this firstborn son to whom God was speaking to in Genesis 1:26 when he said "Let us make man in OUR image".All these other created things were not only created “through him” but also “for him,” as God’s Firstborn and the “heir of all things.”—Col 1:16; Heb 1:2.
2006-10-18 06:29:51 · answer #5 · answered by Joy 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
God, in the bible, is singular. There is the Father (God), the Holy Ghost, and the Son (Jesus). All are God, but God at the same time - always seperate and joined.
The part where Jesus was with God when the world was created is an iffy, if you ask me, since I don't know. I don't believe it actually says in the bible.
However, speaking with a Mormon friend of mine, his church says that Jesus was just a man like all the rest of us and that in our non-earthly state we're called "spirit children". We were all created before the universe existed and have slowly came to earth since Adam & Eve.
So, if you go with that theory, then yes, Jesus was with God when the world was created.
2006-10-18 02:34:52 · answer #6 · answered by Knathan the Knight 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Genesis does use the plural sense for God.
There are many passages in the Old Testament (Jewish Tanach) which refer to God in a plural sense.
The physical universe was created by Jesus.
Cordially,
John
http://www.GodSci.org
2006-10-18 02:49:07 · answer #7 · answered by John 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
That is right, there are several verses the first is in Genesis when God said Let us create man in our Image. You can also check out John 1:1 and John 1:14 these are probably two of the best verses.
2006-10-18 02:30:48 · answer #8 · answered by judy_derr38565 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Look at Proverbs Chapter 8:22 , Jesus is describing that very thing!!!!!!
Jesus was created first of all. He was Gods first. Possible Gods first created being. That does not make him God , but because of his position in heaven he is divine in that God give his son Jesus holy spirit , power, authority... There is only One God not a trinity. Don't believe me read you BIBLE.
2006-10-18 02:36:54 · answer #9 · answered by fire 5 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Atheist Eye Candy,
"one of my christian friends says that jesus was with god when the world was being created."
Yes. The Son of God was at the beginning. And John 1 makes that clear. And that chapter also calls Him God.
"Do any of you agree? "
Yup.
"Does genesis chapter refer to god in the plural sense?"
Here's the Hebrew word that is translated as God in the King James:
H0430 'elohiym -- pronounced: el-o-heem'
plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: KJV -- angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
See Hebrew No. 433
2006-10-18 02:33:07 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋