Forget about all the bullsh1t of p.c.Will it kick off with Muslims?

Question

A female muslim teacher has just been suspended for wearing a veil in class. Muslims are also calling for arrests of individuals that use defamatory remarks against Allah. Isn't this an infringement on our rights of freedom of speech?When our beliefs and fundamental attitudes are so different can we really coexist in todays society? I'm a realist not a racist so please refrain from jumping on a bandwagon that doesn't exist.I see a lot of fear in people in my line of work and I'm worried because I know what fear can turn into! What are your views?

Answer 1

just give it a few more years... theres trouble coming i can tell you that.

Answer 2

Don't you consider the suspension of a teacher for the sole reason that she was wearing a veil should also be called an infringement on her right of freedom of religion? Contrary to common beliefs, many Muslim women choose to wear a veil by voluntary will. If wearing a veil should be prohibited, so should wearing a cross, or one of those small hats Jewish men wear. In my opinion, people should be free to wear those things if they want. Why would one have to hide his religion? An employee of British Airways got suspended because she refused to take of her crucifix pendant. BA said it might offend customers with different beliefs. On the other hand, Muslim women and Sikhs are allowed to wear hijabs and turbans, because they can't be hidden. Why is the west so worried about freedom of speech, while at the same time infringing other people's freedom of religion? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Answer 3

Freedom of speech has always had limits. You cannot have freedom to incite people to murder for example. In any case, here we have a case of "defamatory remarks" about somebody who doesn't exist - at least, nobody has ever proved it or even provided evidence. Would you complain if I made defamatory remarks about Batman? It's about the same thing.
It must be remembered that in the 21st century, people have far more education than 1500 years ago. We are not so easily taken in by stories about super-heros, gods, demons etc.
In the case of mohommed and allah, the teachings contain considerable hatred against anybody who disagrees. They also contain "control systems" which are hopelessly primitive and, by today's standards, vicious and savage. Most of us don't want a return to the barbarity of the 10th-12th centuries.

As for the veil, I've commented elsewhere, removing it for conversation is, in this country (UK) common courtesy. It's also a security risk as nobody knowns who or what is under the veil. So, to get shot of it, the wearers should (like wearers of crash helmets, hoodies etc.) be required to remove it or be banned from :
banks
post offices
government offices
trains
planes
taxis
garages
etc., etc.

It would soon disappear.

The point is that it's not British dress. If people come here from abroad, they're very welcome, but, the issue is that they're expected to start the process of becoming British. That means conforming to local customs - otherwise known as: "When in rome, do as the Romans do".
What we (the British) don't want is ghettoes of different races all trying to look and feel as though they were "back home". It's called integration!

Answer 4

I think the majority of those offenders are just trying to cause a trifling annoyance. And they do, but that doesn't mean we want them arrested. I think Muslims have been very tolerant of the attacks we've had to put up with, and the majority of us answer in a very respectful way, even to people who are disrespectful. And if you see a Muslim getting angry on here, it's usually not because they have a bad temper, or are violent. It's because they are frustrated with the way they are being treated, and the direct hatred we have to deal with a lot of the time. I don't think you're a racist. You're just asking a question, and hopefully this will help you to understand. A lot of injustices have been done to us, such as Guantanamo Bay, Abu Graib, and the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, India, and Palestine. Muslims are frustrated and hurt that not only do we have to deal with that, but we also have to be unfairly blamed for 9/11. Where is the justice? The truth is, there is no justice for Muslims, as long as we are here on earth. We are strong people, though, and God has given this assignment to us because we are able to overcome it. Btw, your fear is unreasonable. No Muslim will attack you, so relax. The majority of us are peace loving people, and do not want to fight with anyone.

Answer 5

We may have more trouble with the right wing US christian mob - the muslim thing we kinda understand - its all a bit ugly but were used to now really.

Its when the Christian right in the states gets going they have the funding and influence to really throw a spanner in the works.

DO you know that fundamentalist Christians are supporting (BIG $M's) right wing Jewish groups who want to tear down the Blue Mosque and rebuild the Temple of Solomon. And why? Because they believe that Armageddon cannot happen until the Temple is destroyed again, and if it hasnt been rebuilt .... etc.

NOw as well as warped they have financial clout - most muslims terrorists are at a low level of influence. Bush is supported heavily by the Christian right....

Answer 6

I don't think anything will "kick off" in a serious way with the Muslims in Britain. Most of them are normal people, but as with all religions there are some extremists and they naturally get all the attention. I think the media often stirs things up, creates problems where there are none. I think the more time Muslims spend in a country that is secular with a large atheist/agnostic population many of them will become increasingly secular.

Answer 7

i think Judith has a point.this is not a hard fast rule in Islam.its a personal choice.therefore it can be negotiated.they did not ask her to compromise on the deen.at least not yet.i take from the question she wears full purdah.may Allah give her strength.amin.i think in certain social climates and atmospheres wisdom should dictate.no harm no foul.if it was just one class maybe she could have asked that the door be kept closed for that period or something to that effect.or that no male adults be present during that time.i dont know.its a shame it has come to this.

Answer 8

i agree with u.
if they cannot live in our country and follow our culture and rules, they should f**k off back to where they came from.
im glad she got suspended. someone has to make a stand for our culture because it is all getting out of control and rediculous. i wouldnt want my kids taught by a veil wearing muslim, this is britain for christs sake! i dont think we will ever co-exist and i dont see why we have to make all these allowances for them. our country and good british culture is being ruined. they come here and want and expect their own way, how ignorant and rude is that! i say send them all back and save our country before its too late. and as for arresting individuals for defamatory remarks against alluh, that is totally rediculous! this is NOT bloody alluh and muslim country! who the hell do they think they are? if they want to practice their religion and culture, they should go back to their own bloody country, not try to shove it down our throats.
i too am a realist. are we the only ones who can see exactly wot is going on and the bigger picture? all these do-gooders just dont get it. they are looking through rose tinted glasses. they couldnt see reality if it slapped them in the face!

Answer 9

she was suspended because she refused to take off her veil while teaching 6 and 7 year olds how to pronounce words properly. How do you expect them to learn properly if they can't see how her mouth moves. She was only asked to remove her veil in English lessons, not math or sciences or any other class, just in English class. She was wrong to refuse in that case. She deserved suspension

Answer 10

I'm not sure if she should have been suspended, maybe she should have worked an alternative out with her supervisors. After all, we all have to live in this world.

Answer 11

It's either you have freedom or not.

Freedom can be divided into freedom of speech and freedom of wearing cloths.

Fight for the freedom in your country (waring veil is a personal freedom also).