what is jueses being god thing?

Question

hey christians out there I try to understand it but i can't what is that whole belief about jueses being god and the holy ghost and him being god please explian I am a muslim and keep hearing this thing and want to get it striaght so can anyone help??? by the way I am not gonna convert so dont try and if any one gotta ? about islam my email is [e-mail] or same at gmail sorry about spelling.

Answer 1

Have you read this book and what are your view or answers to the list below from this book?

The Truth About Muhammad
by Robert Spencer

Meet the real Muhammad:


Muhammad's bizarre reaction to his first "revelation": "I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself"

The heretical Christian who convinced Muhammad he was a prophet – and may have taught him his erroneous views of Christianity

Islamic borrowings from Judaism, Christianity, and Zoroastrianism – and Muhammad's enraged replies to charges that he borrowed material rather than received actual divine revelations

The "revelation" that allowed Muhammad to marry his beautiful daughter-in-law

The strange incident in Muhammad's life that makes it virtually impossible to prove rape in Islamic countries today

The real "Satanic Verses" incident (not the Salman Rushdie version): how Muhammad's attempt to win over his opponents ended with his saying he had been inspired not by God, but by Satan

How the Qur'an's teaching on warfare against unbelievers developed – with constant war to establish the hegemony of Islamic law as the last stage

The first year of the Muslim calendar: not when Muhammad was born or became a prophet, but when he became a warlord

How Muhammad used the graphic lure of Islamic Paradise to urge his warriors to fight furiously to extend his rule

"Kill every Jew who comes into your power": why Muhammad became so angry with both Jews and Christians – with disastrous consequences that are still playing out in the world today

The momentous command by Muhammad that led to good being identified with anything that benefited the Muslims, and evil with anything that harmed them --without reference to any larger moral standard

Muhammad's child bride – and the terrible consequences his marriage to a nine-year-old still has in the Islamic world

"This is the caravan of the Quraysh possessing wealth. It is likely that Allah may give it to you as booty": how Muhammad gave divine sanction to the Muslims' bloody raids

"War is deceit": the permission Muhammad gave his followers to lie in order to gain an advantage over their enemies

How Muhammad broke the principal treaty he entered into, again setting a pattern for Muslim states thereafter

Muhammad's commands to his followers to wage perpetual war against non-Muslims, including Jews and Christians

Muhammad on women's rights: women "are prisoners with you having no control of their persons"

"If justice is not to be found with me then where will you find it?" Why Muhammad still stands for Muslims as the supreme model for human behavior

"I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula, and will not leave any but Muslims" – and other statements by Muhammad that contemporary jihadists take very seriously

Islamic tolerance? The onerous tax burden and other discriminatory regulations mandated for non-Muslims under Islamic law

How Muhammad ordered the killing of apostates from Islam

The massacre of a Jewish tribe by Muhammad that was invoked by modern-day jihadists at the beginning of Israel's July 2006 operations against Hizballah in Lebanon

"Embrace Islam, and your lives and property will be safe": Muhammad's threatening letters to the rulers of the lands around Arabia

Muhammad's frequent avowals that the Muslims would overcome the empires bordering on Arabia and one day stand as masters of the world

"I have been made victorious with terror" – and other statements of Muhammad on his deathbed

Six steps that American leaders can and must take in order to protect our nation from Islamic jihad terrorism

Answer 2

First of all my friend, the Trinity is a mystery that is revealed but is above human understanding. Therefore, try as we might we cannot explain it satisfactorily. Yet, it has been revealed by God as so. First there is the revelation in what God has created. We can look at water. Water falls from the sky in a liquid state. When it is on the ground it evaporates into a gaseous state. Water can also become solid when in a frozen state. The liquid, gas, and solid are still the same water even though in three distinct states. The Trinity is much the same way, but God remains One and undivided. There is the revelation that this One God, blessed be His name forever, is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus Himself has declared it so. He always called God Abba (Daddy) or Father. He always refered to Himself as the Son of the Father. He also promised and fulfilled this promise by sending His spirit, the advocate, the Holy Spirit. So, Jesus Himself claimed the Trinity exists and not man. He claimed they are the One Godhead and undivided, but distinct persons.
This is the best I can do my friend, after all it is a mystery. But because it is a mystery does not mean I have copped out in trying to understand it. Just know that not all mysteries are known and understood by our solving them. Some mysteries are known and understood by our experiencing them.
May God bless and keep you. May He let the light of His face shine upon you.
God's and your beast of burden
Fr. john

Answer 3

It's true. If you have access to a Bible, here are some things you can verify in it.

DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST

1. CHRIST'S DIRECT CLAIMS TO DEITY

a. Matthew 26:63-64e. John 14:9
b. John 8:58 (cf. Exodus 3:14)f. Luke 22:70
c. John 12:45g. John 10:30-33,36,38
d. Mark 14:61-64 (cf. Daniel 7:13-14; h. John 13:20
Psalm 110:1)


2. CHRIST'S INDIRECT CLAIMS TO DEITY

a. Authority (Matthew 28:18; John 8:28)
1. Old Testament: "Thus saith The Lord"
2. Christ: "But I say to you..." (Matthew 5:20, 22, 26, 28, etc.)
b. Forgiveness of sin (Mark 2:5-7; Matthew 9:2-7; Luke 7:48)
c. John 5:17-18
d. John 5:23, 23
e. John 8:19
f. John 14:1

3. CHRIST'S CLAIM TO DIETY CONFIRMED BY OTHERS

a. Matthew 27:43f. John 20:28
b. John19:7g. Acts 7:59
c. Matthew 16:15-17h. John 1:49
d. John 1:34i. Mark 5:7 (Dr. J. J. Griesback:
e. Acts 2:36 "I implore you the God.")
j. John 11:27

4. CHRIST'S ACCEPTANCE OF WORSHIP AS GOD

a. Worship reserved for God only (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10: Deuteronomy 6:13)
b. Jesus received worship as God and accepted it.
1. Matthew 8:2 -- Leper worshipped Him
2. John 9:35-39 -- Man born blind, after being healed, "worshipped him."
3. Matthew 14:33 -- Disciples worshipped him
4. Matthew 2:11 -- Magi worshipped Him
c. God commands angels to worship Christ (Hebrews 1:6, 8)

5. DIRECT SCRIPTURE SHOWING THAT JESUS IS GOD

a. John 1:1j. Romans 9:5
b. Philippians 2:6, 9-11k. Isaiah 9:6 (Messiah called Yahweh)
(cf. Isaiah 45:23)1. Matthew 28:19 (Note name is singular)
c. Titus 2:13m. Hebrews 1:10 (see Psalm 102:25-27)
d. II Thessalonians 1:12m. Hebrews 1:10 (see Psalm 102:25-27)
e. II Peter 1:1m. Hebrews 1:10 (see Psalm 102:25-27)
f. Luke 3:22; Matthew 3:17; Mark 1:1o. I John 5:20
g. Hebrews 1:8p. Colossians 1:19
h. John 20:30,31q. Hebrews 4:14
i. Colossians 2:9 r. Luke 8:39

Peace,

Pearly Gator

Answer 4

The Holy Trinity: the father, the son and the holy ghost.
God is the father, he sent Jesus, which was God on earth, to Earth to die for the sins of the world. When Jesus was crucified and rose on the third day, Jesus became the Holy Ghost. God was first, he then took the role of Jesus on earth and when he died he was then the holy spirit. Therefore, God is all three and that is the holy trinity.

Answer 5

I'm a Christian and I don't fully understand this either. It's one of those mysteries that I plan on asking God when I get to heaven about -"so what did you mean by this?". Yes there is a God, a Jesus and a Holy Spirit-and yes-they are all God. How? I don't know-But God does. Jesus is God's son-but it still God....trust me, even I know it's confusing! My husband is in seminary to become a pastor and we have tried to figure it out-I don't think it can be done.

Answer 6

God sent Jesus down to earth from heaven to be the perfect sacrifice for the world because everyone is born with sin from the original fall of Adam and Eve. Jesus is God's son. After Jesus was resurrected and ascended into heaven, he left us with the holy spirit to guide us. I hope this helps.

Answer 7

God is nt someone as some religions look to think of.it rather is a mix of particular characteristics like the creation a,sustenance and annihilation.it rather is Brahmma the factor of creation of god as a high quality of nature .that creates the worldwide .The Hindu philosophy is purely too diffused for many of the human beings and rather for the westerners and non-hindus , to comprehend . It ia arithmetic for others ( confusing ) and arithmetic for the Hindus ( consumer-friendly)

Answer 8

Oh please. Don't lie. You're not trying to understand jack squat. Its not our fault you wont accept the truth of the holy trinity. One God, one trinity. Tell that to your immam

Answer 9

Here is my page on the trinity:
http://www.geocities.com/dexlox/Trinity.html

THE TRINITY EXPLAINED TO MUSLIMS

By Abdullah Ibrahim

The Bible categorically pronounces that there is only one God!

Jesus:..."Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." (Mark 12:29, or Romans 3:29-30, James 2:19)

The Quran too testifies that Jews and Christians, the people of the Book, believe in one God:

And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): But say, "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is One; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)." (Surah 29, 'Ankabut, verse 46)
CLARIFYING MISUNDERSTANDINGS

The blasphemous idea of Christians worshipping three gods comes from a wrong understanding of the Trinity. In the fifth century AD there was a Christian cult called Maryanya which spread the false belief that Jesus and his mother Mary would be two separate gods besides God. The Quran was right to speak out against such impiety:

And behold! God will say: "O Jesus, the son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God,?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.'" (Surah 5 Maida, verse 116)
To say, as the minority cult of the Maryanyas did, that Mary was the mother of God through whom He produced a physical son, and both were to be taken as separate gods besides God, is absurd! This ludicrous and heathen concept of the Trinity is completely condemned by both Islam and Christianity! The Quran rejects it in clear terms in Surah 4, Al Nisa, verse 171. The Trinity has also been missuderstood to mean that God is three persons and only one person at the same time and in the same sense. Neither are there three substances in one substance. In opposite to this contradictions the Christians definition of the Trinity is expressed in the Athenasian Creed: "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Substance (Essence)" The word "person" is here used in the sense of "self with a particlular function." ("The Illustrated Bible Dictionary" by F.F. Bruce, IVP Leicester, 1962, see "person")

The danger one faces when confronted with extreme or complicated ideas, is, "to throw the baby out with the bath-water," this means to reject everything about a matter, even the true and the good. Here is what C.S. Lewis, professor of Medieval and Renaissance literature at Cambridge University has to say about such an attitude: "If Christianity was something we were making up, of course we could make it easier. But it is not. We cannot compete, in simplicity, with people who are inventing religions. How Could we? We are dealing with Fact. Of course anyone can be simple if he has no facts to bother about." ( "Mere Christianity", Macmillan Company, New York, 1943, page 145)

The main stream of Christianity throughout all the world believes in one God, the Holy Trinity. It is indeed a mystery, as God Himself is, and as eternity and infinity are. "It is held that although the doctrine is beyond the grasp of human reason, it is, like many of the formulations of physical science, not contrary to reason, and may be apprehended though it may not be comprehended by the human mind." (See, "Encyclopedia Americana", "Trinity", by F.C. Grant, Danbury, Con.: Americana Corp., 1980)

The religion of Islam too faces such intellectual challenges. The Quran speaks about God anthropomorphically (it uses human terms to describe him). Orthodox Muslims do not explain the "how". Similarly, it is a fact that God's word was revealed in a book, but how the infinite can be expressed in the finite is not clarified.

BIBLICAL FACTS

I will tell of the kindnesses of the LORD, the deeds for which he is to be praised, according to all the LORD has done for us - yes, the many good things he has done for the house of Israel, according to his compassion and many kindnesses. He said, "Surely they are my people, sons who will not be false to me"; and so he became their Savior. In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of his presence saved them. In his love and mercy he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. (Isaiah 63:7-10)
In a number of other verses in the Torah, the Old Testament, (see Genesis 1:2-3, 18:2, 2 Samuel 23:2-3, etc.) the Trinity is alluded to, even though the concept was not recognized as such by the Jews of the Old Testament. The plural Hebrew word "elohim" used for God many times in the Old Testament also points to the Trinity, especially since there is no royal plural of respect in Hebrew.

There are a number of verses in the New Testament that call Jesus and the Holy Spirit God, besides God the Father. (John 8:58, compare with Exodus 3:14; Acts 5:3-4 etc.) In the light of this truth the following verses are understood to be speaking about the Trinity:

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name (singular!) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,... (Matthew 28:19)
In Acts 2:38, 8:16, 19:4 People are baptised in the name of Jesus only. Since Jesus is now included in a way he was not in John's baptism (19:4), the abbreviated form is used in the beginning to emphasize the distinctive quality of the new baptism.

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. (2 Corinthians 13:13)

For more verses speaking about the Trinity when one considers the Biblical context see, Ephesians 4:4-6, 5:18-20, 1 Cor 12:4-6, Romans 8:9-11.

Even tough the word "Trinity" does not literally occur in these passages, nevertheless the concept is quite clearly taught. In Islam too God is called "El Adl", meaning "the Just", "El Wajid", meaning "The Inventor or Maker", "Edh Dhur", meaning "the harmful", etc. in the list of the 99 names of God. However these words are nowhere found in the Quran but Muslims still accept these attributes as belonging to God. (see "The Muslim doctrine of God", by S.M. Zwemer, American tract Society, 1905, pages 39-45)

As seen above, the doctrine of the Trinity is based on Biblical facts and the word itself is first found in writings of the church father Tertullian at the end of the 2nd century. The teaching was officially formulated in the 4th century as a response to false teachings. ("The Illustrated Bible Dictionary" by F.F. Bruce, IVP Leicester, 1962, "Trinity")

ILLUSTRATIONS

In trying to come to terms with this subtlety it will be helpful to realize that everything in this world consists of a kind of Trinity, namely substance, form and purpose! To put this statement to the test let us think of a pencil. Like everything else it is made out of a substance that is formed into something, in our case into a pencil. Its purpose is to enable people to write, in the same way as all other things have some purpose! The geometric illustration of the Trinity is found in a triangle.

The thre corners are inseperable and simultaneous. The one that represents Jesus is touched by a circle that stands for his human nature, whereas the corner indicates his divine nature. (Philipians 2: 5 -11) Questions and apparent contradictions regarding Jesus being God (e.g. "How can God eat, die, etc. like Jesus?") are easily solved by taking his two natures into consideration. What he did in one he did not in the other.

St. Augustine compared the Trinity with love that involves a lover, the loved one and a spirit of love beteen them.

It may also be valuable to see the one universe as made of space, matter and time. Time by itself consists of past, present and future. If any one of these is removed then universe and time will cease to be! Fire generates heat and light. Thus fire, with its light and heat is one thing. Multiplicity in unity is a very common phenomena. This kind of spiritual unity which reflects the Biblical understanding of the Trinity is distinguished from mathematical unity where 1+1+1 = 3. In mathematical terms one could compare Trinity with 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.

"Further, some have pointed to the fact that Muhammad was simultaneously a prophet, a husband, and a leader. Why then should a Muslim reject the idea of a plurality of functions (persons) in God." ("Answering Islam", by N.L. Geisler & Abdul Saleeb) Baker Books U.S.A. 1993, page 269"

He who thinks of God as an absolute unity where there is no room for multiplicity at all, is forced to believe in a god who does not know himself. Self-knowledge demands a distinction, a multiplicity, between knower and known. This brings us to another analogy for the truth of the Trinity, that of man's mind. He has one mind, which is capable of thinking thoughts and expressing them in words. Mind, thoughts and words are one. No one can say that God has no Mind that expresses itself in Thoughts and Words. God in Mind and Thoughts and Words is one God and He never claimed that there would be two other gods beside Him!

The Trinity of Christianity is truly representative of the Mind of God (commonly referred to as God the Father), His Thoughts, (commonly referred to as God the Holy Spirit) and His Word (commonly referred to as God the Son).

In the the Gospel according to John we read:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word (Logos) was God. He was with God in the beginning... The Word became flesh (in Jesus) and made his dwelling among us. (John 1:1,14)
The context shows clearly that Jesus is God in the flesh: He was in the beginning, that means he is not created, he is eternal as God is eternal. Verse three states that through Jesus, the Word, all things were made, that means that he is God the Creator.

Some people have doubted that Jesus is really called God in this verse because in the Greek language the first word for "God", "ton theon" is different from the second, "theos". However in Greek it does not suggest this sort of shift in meaning. "This can be seen by reading other passages in the New Testament where "theos" appears in the same context both with and without the definite article, yet with no change in meaning (John 3:2, 13:3, Romans 1:21, 1 Thess. 1:9, Hebrews 9:14, 1 Peter 4:10-11). Whenever the word "theos" is used in the same construction, it always clearly refers to the true God (Mark 12:27, Luke 20:38, John 8:54, Phil. 2:13, Hebrews 11:16)" ("Why you should believe in the Trinity", by R.M.Bowman,Jr., Baker Book House, 1993, pages 93-94)

The "word" proceeds from the "mind". Both words derive their meaning from the Greek original "Logos". The word "Logos" has many meanings. One form "Logo" gives us the English "logic", which means not just ordinary speech (words), but mind expressed or intelligent expression. God created the world by His intelligent Mind, or by His Thoughts, or by His Word, all of which mean the same. For God and His mind are the same being. An example of this is when we say, "We solved the problem with our minds." Is it us who solved it or our minds? Both are the same thing. This distinction between us and our mind is merely intellectual and does not involve separation but difference of function. Likewise, when we speak about God, His Mind of which His Thought and Word proceeds, we are not separating them, but only clarifying the issue.

In the Quran Jesus is called "a Word from God":

Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him; his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God; " (Surah 3, Al-i-'Imran, verse 45)
The English translation uses the relative pronoun "his" to render a masculine personal pronoun in the Arabic language. Since "Kalima" (Arabic for "word") is in the feminine gender it becomes clear that "a word" does not just mean "a word of language" but a person! We also find this clarified in the sayings of one of the Muslim scholars. ("Fusus al Hukm", Part II, pages 13,36, by Al Shaikh Muhyi al Din al 'Arabi)

The Bible speaks about the Holy Spirit being God:

Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit... You have not lied to men but to God." (Acts 5:3,4)
In a similar way the Quran (Surah 4, Al Nisa, verse 171) speaks about Jesus being a Spirit proceeding from God! In other parts people are described as having been strengthened with a spirit from God (Surah 58, Al Mujadilah, verse 22). At the creation Allah has breathed into man of His spirit (Surah 15, Al-Hijr, verse 29), but Jesus only IS the Spirit from Allah!

This is why Islamic tradition calls Jesus "Ruhullah", that means "Spirit of Allah". Neither the Spirit of Allah (the Thoughts) nor the Word (the mind expressed) of Him can have been created since whatever proceeds from God Himself is part of Him and must therefore have existed eternally. If God was without Mind at any time He would not be God; or if he was without Thoughts at any time He would cease to be the Almighty One which is impossible! Muslim theology confirms this belief by stating that the Quran is uncreated and has existed in eternity with God. There again we find plurality within unity, something that is other then God but it is at the same time one with God.

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