Putting an end to the trinity debate?

Question

Genisis1:1
In the beginning God created the Heavens and Earth.

This informs us of the existence of God.

Genisis 1:2
...And the spirit of God was hovering over the water.

This tells of the existence of the Holy Spirit

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

This tells us that Jesus is God and was With God in the beginning.

My question:
After reading this, how can you doubt the trinity?

It's a haloween costume guys, get over it.

Answer 1

1) There is one God: Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5.



2) The Trinity consists of three Persons: Genesis 1:1; 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14. In the passages in the Old Testament, a knowledge of Hebrew is helpful. In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. That "Elohim" and "us" refer to more than two is WITHOUT question. In English, you only have two forms, singular and plural. In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual, and plural. Dual is for two ONLY. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs like eyes, ears, and hands. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms - definitely more than two - and must be referring to three or more (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).



In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of 3 distinct persons in the Trinity.



3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The "LORD" has a "Son" (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, John 14:16-17 is where Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity - the Father.



4) Each member of the Trinity is God: The Father is God: John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2. The Son is God: John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16 (The One who indwells is the Holy Spirit - Romans 8:9; John 14:16-17; Acts 2:1-4).



5) The subordination within the Trinity: Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship, and does not deny the deity of any person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see: Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and especially John 16:13-14.



6) The tasks of the individual members of the Trinity: The Father is the ultimate source or cause of: 1) the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); 2) divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); 3) salvation (John 3:16-17); and 4) Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father INITIATES all of these things.



The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: 1) the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); 2) divine revelation (John 1:1; Matthew 11:27; John 16:12-15; Revelation 1:1); and 3) salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.



The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: 1) creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); 2) divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); 3) salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and 4) Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.



None of the popular illustrations are completely accurate descriptions of the Trinity. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not parts of God, each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better but still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. Instead of focusing on the Trinity, try to focus on the fact of God's greatness and infinitely higher nature than our own. "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" (Romans 11:33-34)

Answer 2

Genesis1:2 says "the spirit OF God." The word ""of" means "belonging to". So how can the spirit which belongs to God actually be God. It can't. Same thing in John 1:1. How can the Word be WITH God and God at the same time? It is not possible. A correct wording of John 1:1 should be, "the Word was divine". (An American Translation) or "the Word was a god" (NTIV). John 1:1 could not be saying that the Word was God because it would then contradict verse 18, where it says that "No one has ever seen God."

Answer 3

Putting an end to the trinity debate?
WE CAN ONLY PRAY that some day- that day will come.
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Indeed the word trinity is not in the Bible, but the indicators certainly are.
Look up Psalm 45, and Psalm 110. Both indicate THE GOD speaking to
"HIS OTHER".....also......The Trinity is indicated in 1 John 5:7 if you are using
a King James Bible (others have removed or altered same).

In the Old Testament see Isaiah 44:6 --- and His redeemer I am ---.
and Isaiah 45:11 --- And His maker --.

My favourite indicator is 1 Corinthians 15:28 ! At some point The Trinity will once
again unite because THEN there will be no need for The Trinity !

Water appears as a liquid, steam, and ice. All three are one.
A Clover leaf has three segments, it is but ONE clover.

In both situations above, three are one. Why can't THE GOD do the same?

Answer 4

I Believe in the Holy Trinity. One God, three persons.

Jesus also said that I and the Father are One.

And, It is better for you that I go, The Holy Spirit will come and teach You all that you need to know.

In The Beginning was the Word,
The word was with God
and The word was God,
The Word Became Flesh.

God Bless You, ;-)

Answer 5

John 1:1 does not say that the word was God.
Long story short:
ho theos= "the God"
theos="god."
In the Bible, god just means "mighty one." "The God," of course, means "the ultimate mighty one." This is, of course, Jehovah.
For example, Moses, Satan, Jesus, and the Israelite priests are all called "gods" in the Bible, but only Jehovah is called "the God."
So far from proving the trinity doctrine, John 1:1 disproves it. Because if it were true, it would say the word (logos) was the god (ho theos.)
The existence of the holy spirit does not mean 1) that it is a person or 2) that it is actually part of God.

Answer 6

Did you know that to make John 1:1 correctly read "and the Word was God", you have to add the word (ho) to the Greek text?

That is why many translation say "the Word was divine" (God Like, From God, or a god)

Spirit of God, denotes ownership, other bibles say breath, wind of God at Gen 1:2

Those verses you quote when taken in context teach that Jesus is separate from God,
and when you look at 1 Cor 11:3, It shows that Jehovah is above Christ, as Christ is above man.

I appreciated the the one above who quoted
2 Cor. 4:4 Satan has blinded non believers so that can't see that Jesus is the IMAGE of God.

An image is not the real thing, a picture, a statue, a mirror all are images. powerless representations.

All the power Jesus has, has been given to him.

Answer 7

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1. The Word cannot be separated from Gad. The term "Word" is derived from the Greek term "logis" which means "thought or plan". God’s thoughts are with Him, but they cannot be separated from Him. "The Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD."

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;


meaning there is only ONE GOD

Answer 8

For Those who can't understand how it is possible. You are thinking with a finite mind trying to understand an infinite God.

It is a Mystery. It is stated in the scriptures - Old and New Testaments.

I Believe in One God,
The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

God Bless you, ;-)

Answer 9

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. -2 Corinthians 4:4

Answer 10

John 20....
21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

these verses show that the Holy Spirit came from Jesus, so God and Jesus share the same Spirit.