If the world was created by god, who created god?

Question

I believe in the big bang, as do some christians. But they will say the bang was created by god. But why not just cut out the middle man and say we don't know?

Answer 1

That's the big question which religious folks hate to face. What did create God? Assuming a complex world requires a complex creator, then that creator requires a more complex creator and so on ad infinitum...

Answer 2

No matter whether you're an atheist or a theist, everyone concedes that there is something (some being, or some form of matter) that has ALWAYS existed. Something that is not bound by the constraints of time.

Either that something is God, or that something is the existent cosmos itself.

Either way, if you go back far enough, one is forced to concede that there is something that has always existed, that wasn't caused by another force/being/substance.

Supposing that that something is the existent cosmos, something must have changed in the very nature of the matter itself to trigger the big bang. Think about it-- there's the cosmos, happily existing as it always has, as a tiny teacup-sized ball of matter (or however you conceive of it).

But what changed? What was the external force that triggered the "bang?" Why didn't it continue existing as it always had up until that point?

No matter how you look at it (and as a finite human being it's difficult to imagine) there must be an infinite substance or being that caused our world to appear.

Edit:
"modbexy" articulated very well what I was getting at...

Incidentally, the fact that I see some respondents to this question have already begun patting themselves on the back with self-satisfied arrogance, declaring "Ha! Answer THAT one, Christians!" --Without even reading the responses.... Well, that's sad.

Practice what you preach. Open your mind first.

Answer 3

We have no scientific proof of how the universe began. What proof they have established leads to intellegent design. The delicate balance in the universe could not happen by chance. Science has done more in recent 30 years to prove the existence of God than most Christians. So, if the evidence leads us to an intelligent design, then their must be a designer. And obviously that designer would need to be around before the creation. Where did God come from or how did He come into being? I'll ask Him when I get to heaven. Hope to see you there so I can give you the answer.

Answer 4

The buck has to stop somewhere. Logic dictates that somewhere in the distant past there has to be an initial cause. Logic also dictates that the initial cause be uncaused (uncreated). That is, it cannot be the effect of another cause, for if it was, then by definition it would not be the initial cause. The only alternative would be an eternal series of causes and effects which never had an origin. But that is completely illogical because how can any series of events occur if it never began? So the only logical position is that there was an uncreated and eternal entity which/who was responsible for the existence of all else that exists, and who therefore necesssarily preceded all else that exists, since a cause must always precede its effect.

Answer 5

The world is contingent-each part of it relies on something else to exist and each part must have been caused or brought into existence by something else. The world could have been created by the big bang, which in turn could be said to have been created by God.

However, if God is who he is said to be, he is not contingent-he is necessary and hence not reliant upon anything else for his existence. Therefore God was not created, he is a necessary being with existence as part of his very nature.

Answer 6

If there is a creator of God then who the created the creator of God?
God by definition is birth-less & death-less. God existed before the universe was created and God will exist even after the universe has folded.

Answer 7

Once upon a time, a very, very long time ago there was nothing. Then lo and behold, all of a sudden, this nothing exploded and became everything.

Or perhaps it was a cosmic egg that exploded? On second thoughts, no! we had better not go there, because someone might just ask if a cosmic chicken laid the cosmic egg?

Anyhow, whichever you prefer, they are the two versions of the 'Big Bang' fable, simplified for the layperson.

Just like the fable itself, the choice is simple, you can either allow yourself be blinded by the so-called science, or you can be just like the little boy in the story of the Emperor's New Clothes. The mind unfettered by ideology and vested interests can see through the whole farcical story.

A singularity? What the hell is that? If a Creationist dared to suggest that the universe originated by means of a one off event where the Laws of Science did not apply, they would be called crazy.

There are some sensible scientists (such as Fred Hoyle)opposed to the 'Big Bang' they know that the whole thing is totally illogical and, dare I say it, 'unscientific'.

Let those who wish to believe in the 'miracle' or 'magic' of a singularity do so. I can assure you that BELIEF is all it is.

The 'Big Bang' is purely a matter of belief and so you don't have to be a scientist to be opposed to it. The man on the Clapham omnibus has just as much right to oppose it as the highly qualified scientist with oodles of letters after their name. Remember, they don't teach wisdom and common sense at any university.

Who created God? No one, THE FIRST CAUSE does'nt need a cause.
Read the following and you will understand.

EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS MUST HAVE A SUFFICIENT EXPLANATION FOR ITS EXISTENCE. NOTHING CAN EXIST WITHOUT A SUFFICIENT REASON FOR ITS EXISTENCE. NOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS SUFFICIENT REASON MUST BE FOUND EITHER IN THE EXISTING THING ITSELF. OR IN THAT WHICH GAVE IT EXISTENCE. TO PUT IT ANOTHER WAY; IF A THING EXISTS THEN EITHER (1). IT IS SO PERFECT THAT IT MUST EXIST AND CANNOT BE NONEXISTENT, OR (2). IT HAS RECEIVED EXISTENCE BY THE ACTION OF SOME EFFICIENT CAUSE.
NOW IF A THING IS SO PERFECT THAT IT MUST EXIST AND CANNOT BE NON-EXISTENT, IT IS SELF EXISTENT. SUCH A THING CONTAINS IN ITSELF THE SUFFICIENT REASON FOR ITS EXISTENCE. AND SINCE IT MUST EXIST BY REASON OF ITS OWN ESSENTIAL PERFECTION, IT HAS HAD NO CAUSE, IT IS ETERNAL; IT IS NECESSARY BEING (i.e. IT NECESSARILY EXISTS), AND IS NOT CONTINGENT UPON THE ACTION OF ANY PRODUCING CAUSE.
IF A THING HAS RECEIVED EXISTENCE BY THE ACTION OF SOME EFFICIENT CAUSE, IT IS NOT A NECESSARY, BUT A CONTINGENT BEING, FOR IT DEPENDS UPON, IS CONTINGENT UPON, THE ACTION OF ITS PRODUCING EFFICIENT CAUSE.

THUS THERE ARE ONLY 2 KINDS OF THING POSSIBLE:
(1). ETERNAL, UNCAUSED, NECESSARY BEING, AND
(2). CONTINGENT BEING, WHICH IS EFFICIENTLY CAUSED.
FURTHER: CONTINGENT THINGS MUST BE TRACED BACK TO A FIRST EFFICIENT CAUSE, WHICH IS ITSELF NECESSARY AND UNCAUSED BEING. FOR CONSIDER: A CONTINGENT THING IS A CAUSED THING, ITS CAUSE PRODUCED IT. IF ITS CAUSE IS ALSO PRODUCED, SOMETHING PRODUCED THAT CAUSE, AND SO ON. IF (A) COMES FROM (B), AND (B) FROM (C), AND (C) FROM (D), AND (D) FROM (E), AND SO ON, THEN SOMEWHERE AND SOMETIME WE MUST COME TO A FIRST CAUSE WHICH IS ITSELF UNCAUSED, WHICH IS NECESSARY BEING. ONE CANNOT TRACE BACK THE CHAIN OF CAUSATION INDEFINITELY NOR TO INFINITY; ONE REALLY MUST REACH THE BEGINNING AT SOME STAGE. TO SAY THAT THE SERIES IS INDEFINITELY LONG AND TO LEAVE THE MATTER THERE, IS TO MAKE AN INTELLECTUAL SURRENDER OF THE WHOLE QUESTION. AN UNWORTHY COP-OUT. SUCH A SURRENDER IS SIMPLY A REFUSAL TO FACE FACTS. ON THE OTHER HAND, TO SAY THAT THE SERIES OF CAUSES IS INFINITELY LONG (i.e. HAS NO BEGINNING) IS TO ASSERT AN ABSURDITY. FOR AN INFINITE NUMBER OF FINITE CAUSES IS IMPOSSIBLE; FINITE ADDED TO FINITE CAN NEVER EQUAL INFINITE. REASON FORCES US TO THE CONCLUSION THAT CONTINGENT THINGS INVOLVE OF NECESSITY THE EXISTENCE OF AN UNCAUSED AND NECESSARY FIRST CAUSE.
NOW, CAN THERE BE MANY UNCAUSED AND NECESSARY FIRST CAUSES? CAN VARIOUS CHAINS OF CAUSATION BE TRACED BACK TO VARIOUS FIRST CAUSES? OR IS THE FIRST CAUSE NECESSARILY ONE CAUSE? IT IS EVIDENT THAT THE FIRST CAUSE IS ONE AND ONLY ONE. FOR A BEING THAT IS SO PERFECT THAT IT MUST EXIST MUST HAVE THE FULNESS OF PERFECTION, IT MUST HAVE PERFECTION IN A WHOLLY UNLIMITED MANNER. WHY? BECAUSE SUCH A BEING IS SELF- EXISTENT AND WHOLLY INDEPENDENT OF CAUSES. CAUSES DO TWO THINGS: THEY MAKE AN EFFECT WHAT IT IS, AND THEY LIMIT THE EFFECT SO AS TO MARK OFF ITS PERFECTIONS FROM THOSE OF OTHER THINGS. HENCE A BEING THAT IS INDEPENDENT OF CAUSES, AS A NECESSARY BEING IS, IS INDEPENDENT OF THE LIMITATION WHICH CAUSES IMPOSE. THUS THE FIRST CAUSE IS FREE FROM LIMITATION; IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS INFINITE. NOW AN INFINITE BEING IS UNIQUE; THERE SIMPLY CANNOT BE MORE THAN ONE SUCH BEING. FOR, IF THERE WERE MORE THAN ONE, THERE WOULD BE A DISTINCTION OF BEING BETWEEN OR AMONG THEM; THIS DISTINCTION WOULD BE ITSELF A LIMITATION, AND SO NONE WOULD BE INFINITE. SUPPOSE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THERE ARE ARE TWO INFINITE BEINGS, (A) AND (B). (A) HAS ITS OWN PERFECTIONS IN AN UNLIMITED DEGREE; (B) HAS ITS OWN PERFECTIONS, SIMILARLY UNLIMITED. NOW IF (A) AND (B) ARE NOT IDENTICAL [AND THUS ONE] THERE IS A DEFECT AND A LIMITATION IN (A), INASMUCH AS IT HAS NOT THE PERFECTIONS THAT ARE PROPERLY (B)'s. IN LIKE MANNER THERE IS A DEFECT AND A LIMITATION IN (B), INASMUCH AS (B) HAS NOT THE PERFECTIONS THAT ARE PROPERLY (A)'s. THUS UNLESS (A) AND (B) ARE IDENTICAL AND ONE, NEITHER IS INFINITE. HENCE, THE NECESSARY FIRST CAUSE MUST BE ONE AND INFINITE.

SUMMARY.
CONTINGENT THINGS DEMAND THE EXISTENCE OF ONE, NECESSARY, INFINITE FIRST CAUSE;

NOW THE UNIVERSE, AND ALL THINGS IN THE UNIVERSE, ARE CONTINGENT THINGS;
THEREFORE, THE UNIVERSE, AND ALL THINGS IN THE UNIVERSE, DEMAND THE EXISTENCE OF ONE, NECESSARY. INFINITE FIRST CAUSE.
THIS WE CALL GOD.

Answer 8

Why not just cut out the middle man and say God created things? Who created the big bang? I don't know that much science but I do know God who created all things. It is seeking him and seeing purpose in him that develops our relationship with God and through this relationship comes our faith in him. It is hard to deny one you know. It is what it is.God is available to all who seek him and he reveals himself to those who have value in him.Once a Christian knows God he cannot simply agree with you that he does not know what he knows...Unless he is a liar how could that be? God is there and to those who know him he is as real as anything else even more so.Now Science is limited in its understanding and man is limited in his understanding of God. this is understandable to Christians who realize we are mere finite creature and cannot comprehend the whole of a infinite God. Science can not provide all the answers as man is limited in his understanding. If a man seeks the truth he will find it and that truth is God and it is available to all that seek him and have value in him.

Answer 9

God was and always will be.
This is a film I just bought about our origin. It was fascinating! There seems to be many scientists that are now recanting Darwin and are leaning toward creation science. Why? This movie shows some reasons, even the man that wrote many textbooks on Evolution has recanted his own books!
Amazing and worth the money: http://www.illustramedia.com/umolinfo.htm

Answer 10

the big bang and evolution created the world not god the is no god and the never will be the big bang are just elements that came together to cause it like supher coal salt peater or h2so4 nitric acid and gliseren that can cause a bang

Answer 11

Wow all this interlectual discussion is fryiong my brain.i think i will just go on believing in god then i can lead a meaningful life,if i dont believe then whats the point.One things for sure if i after death i awake into a new existence
i will know i was right ,if not it doesnt much matter.