My grandfather was Fred Archer a welterweight boxer in the 1920's, he accidentally caused a fatality within the ring and immediately retired, i wpould like to know more about this event and the rest of his career for a family based book i am writing, i've found hardly anything on the internet so far, can anyone help? newspaper stories from the time would be perfect...
2006-10-16 01:53:39 · 7 answers · asked by Gina M 3 in Sports ➔ Boxing
Fred Archer
26-Feb
1923
Ldec
13
Alf Humphries
London
England
ND
Miles Templeton collection. Humphries died February 27 without regaining consciousness
http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_svinth_b_0700.htm
according to boxingrec here is his record though at least 1 fight is missing as they have no record of alf humphries
1926-01-21 Piet van Dam 8-9-2
Premierland, Stepney, London, England W DQ 6 0
1924-10-07 Leo Darton 59-15-15
Premierland, Stepney, London, England L KO 8 0
Date of card approx.
1924-05-29 Eddie Burnbrook 29-1-3
Albany, NY, USA L KO 8 0
1924-05-21 Billy Ryan 22-15-5
Covington, KY, USA L NWS 12 12
(Chicago Tribune)
1924-04-26 Jack McVey 28-5-0
Commonwealth S.C., New York, NY, USA L PTS 12 12
1924-04-12 Kid Charol 15-1-2
Havana, Cuba L PTS 12 12
1924-02-19 151¼ Phil Kaplan 149 27-6-4
Pioneer A.C., New York, NY, USA L TKO 9 10
~ Referee: Johnny McAvoy ~
1924-02-14 Paul Doyle 56-20-11
Rink Sporting Club, Brooklyn, NY, USA L PTS 10 10
1924-01-21 Jack Britton 182-39-40
Canton, OH, USA L NWS 10 10
Popular verdict - a win for Britton (World Almanac) (New York Times)
1923-11-08 Ted 'Kid' Lewis 210-35-18
Premierland, Stephney, London, England L PTS 20 20
1923-08-20 Frankie Burns 4-2-0
London, England L PTS 15 15
1923-07-27 Maurice Prunier 2-5-3
The Ring, Blackfriars, London, England D PTS ? 0
1923-06-14 Tommy (Tuffy) McGuiness 2-0-0
The Ring, Blackfriars, London, England W KO 4 0
1923-05-17 Raymond Porcher 1-5-1
Olympia, London, England W DQ ? 10
Porcher was disqualified for a low blow
1923-04-24 Herman van't Hof 19-1-2
The Ring, Blackfriars, London, England L PTS 20 20
1923-03-12 Herman van't Hof 16-1-2
The Ring, Blackfriars, London, England L TKO 13 20
1922-10-30 Hamilton Johnny Brown 18-0-0
National Sporting Club, Blackfriars, London, England L PTS 15 15
1922-03-23 Billy Fry 11-3-0
Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, England W PTS 15 15
1922-01-05 Idris Jones 13-9-1
Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, England D PTS 15 15
1921-12-01 Jim Tyler 2-0-0
Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, England W PTS 15 15
1921-11-17 Billy Mack 10-3-2
Liverpool Stadium, Liverpool, England L PTS 15 15
2006-10-16 05:30:42 · answer #1 · answered by letitbemetheone 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I would say it was against Tommy "Tuffy" Mcguiness as this was the only fight he won in 1923 scoring a KO in the 4th round.
Check out Boxrec.com as this is where i found the information, click on name and type in your Grandfathers name his whole record is there, the fight i am talking about in particular was on 14/06/23. Hope this gives you the info you need.
Im sorry i have just looked at Mcguiness's record and he fought after the fight with your Grandfather and after checking the records of the other fighters they all went on to fight again so they obviously havent got a record for the fight you are talking about.
The last fight that they have on record though is against Piet Van Dam but that was 1926 so i am not 100 % sure whether i have got the right fighter.
If you need more info and are having problems contact me and i will give you some other boxing websites that i use that may help you.
2006-10-16 03:31:55 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
If your grandfather was professional, there is a possibility that you may be able to find information on Wikipedia.org
Also, you may be able to writeone of the following major boxing organizations:
World Boxing Council,
World Boxing Association,
International Boxing Federation,
World Boxing Organization,
Additionally, you may find more information about this match at a local public library if you know roughly the timespan. There is a good chance that they have the newspaper on microfilm / microfiche for viewing and reprinting.
2006-10-16 05:36:04 · answer #3 · answered by Steven 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You would probably find it difficult to find anything online, given that newspapers haven't put all their archives online.
A couple of suggestions would be to write to experienced boxing correspondent (Colin Hart at The Sun or John Rawlings at The Guardian come to mind), or to put a letter in The Ring magazine (http://ring-online.com/ringpages/askeditors.html)
2006-10-16 02:01:52 · answer #4 · answered by Timothy M 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The town that the fight occured in, the local rag will have archive records & I am sure they will be able to help you.Good Luck.
2006-10-16 02:04:47 · answer #5 · answered by edison 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
just looking at that one myself
2006-10-16 02:00:38 · answer #6 · answered by sugarplum9903 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
http://www.militantesthetix.co.uk/yealm/yealm15.htm
there is something about him in this about half way down
2006-10-16 01:58:14 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋