Please I am only looking for serious answers, as I am asking seriously, and I don't mean to harm or offend any one.
I am a muslim, and we muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, just like Moses was a prophet.
We believe that god created Jesus from a mother only. For us, it makes sence, because god created Adam from nothing, so it would be easier to believe that god created Jesus without the existance of a father to him, as god made the harder job which is creating Adam without a father or a mother.
Q - 1 - Why do christians believe that God is the father of Jesus, and not the maker?
Another thing, Muslims believe that Jesus was not excuted, we believe that god saved him, and made the man who totteled him an exact copy of Jesus, so that the people who were after Jesus thought they killed him, but they didn't, they killed the totteler who looked like Jesus.
Why do you insist that Jesus was excuted?
Serious Answers Please
I don't mean no offence to anyone
2006-10-15
16:06:11
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Before you answer, please take this into consideration:
1 - I am a Muslim, it means that I don't believe in the Bible. So you can't have the Bible as a proof.
2 - I don't understand why Jesus must be excuted. In Islam, GOD is so Merciful, God forgives everyone, there is no need to sacrifice anyone.
3 - The totteler was excuted instead of Jesus because he TOTTELED. Can't this be a punishment for him?
Good luck
2006-10-15
16:23:41 ·
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" 1. What is your evidence that the Bible has been lost and corrupted by men? Is God so weak that he cant preserve Scripture that is supposed to be true for all mankind all time? "
This might be impolite, but i will say it, YES god is so weak, he couldn't even protect "his own son" from being excuted. then how could he protect his words then??
2006-10-15
16:44:25 ·
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If you believe God made Jesus from a mother or Mary, that to me would be that God is Jesus es father. I believe Jesus died on the cross for all mankind's sins. I believe God did save Jesus by raising him from the dead. We really do believe in the same person we just have different perspectives of what happened that's all, and that should not constitute hate for one another, may Allah be with you and God bless.
2006-10-15 16:34:33
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answered by Anonymous
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Dear Sir...
We do not insist that Jesus was executed. It is written in the Word of God. As far as Jesus being created from a mother only, if I understand your question, Jesus was sent to Earth, born of a woman and walked in the flesh among men, grew up from infancy to adulthood, to sacrifice His life for the sins of the world. This may be a strange concept, and may not be easily understood, but when God created the earth, He was not alone. Jesus was there with Him. Please take the time to read the first chapter of the Gospel of John, where it is clearly stated that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, the same was in the beginning with God. The Word was, is and always will be Jesus Christ, which we Messianic Jews call by the name Yahshua.
If God saved Jesus from being crucified on the cross, why would four eyewitnesses of His crucifixion write about it? I have a saying...if more than one person tells you something about yourself, and you're on the inside looking out, then it must be true. Why would four obviously intelligent men tell the same lie in a different way? It makes no sense to me in any form whatsoever.
The theory that someone made an exact copy of Jesus makes no sense, either. If that was possible in those days, then someone with extreme power was doing some incredible things. But why go through that much trouble to pull a trick on the entire world? And if someone killed the impostor, then what happened to the real Jesus? God saved Him and put Him where?
These questions require critical thinking, and for a person to be able to use the process of elimination in order to obtain the answer that is being sought. I have believed in Jesus since I was four years old, and I still believe in Him, just as much as I believe in God.
2006-10-15 16:34:23
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answered by Anonymous
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What is the evidence that your so-called revelation of Jesus is more truthful than what is written in the Bible?
Actually Musims do believe in the Bible (Injil) but they believe it has been lost overtime. So that raises a few Q's for you!
1. What is your evidence that the Bible has been lost and corrupted by men? Is God so weak that he cant preserve Scripture that is supposed to be true for all mankind all time?
2. Do you not realize that the Bible we have today predates Muhamads birth by hundreds of years? Muhammad had the same Bible we have today available to him. With that being the case, why didnt the Jews and Christians accept him as a prophet? Why did he not do any miracles if he was the greatest prophet of God? Why did Muhammad actually slaughter an entire tribe of Jews?
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. -John 14:6
2006-10-15 16:35:37
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answered by Anonymous
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Q - 1 - Why do christians believe that God is the father of Jesus, and not the maker?
I believe that God and Jesus are one. We believe in the trinity. Jesus is the perfect sacrifice that was needed to save man. God made all things. Father, Spirit , and Son are all the same.
If you know the Bible then this should not be hard to understand and even if you do not understand it you should know that we believe it.
God tells us that we cannot fully understand so we should believe by faith. So I do.
If I cannot understand something, I pray, and seek God. He always shows me what he meant by it. Either a message from my Pastor or a teaching in Church on Wednesday or Sunday. Always something.
To answer your second question.
He was the sacrifice. To deny this is to deny what the point of his life and ministry was. To be the perfect sacrifice for a sinful world which could not get it on our own.
With out God I am nothing. With him I can do anything. He makes me what I am. He guides my life and has a hand in everything I do. That does not mean I am perfect. Just a work in progress. My King Died for me. Me..... in all my miserable states, in all the dirt I surrounded myself with he picked me out of all the dirt, cleaned my off and said "You are mine." he is all things, God the father , God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
I respect your right to believe what you do, However.
This answer could have been asked if you truly searched the Bible.
God Bless
2006-10-15 17:08:09
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answered by melissa s 4
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Well, I got serious answers for you:
For question 1. We believe that Jesus was not only the Son of God, but God himself as flesh. That is the only way that we can get forgiveness: if God himself gave up something perfect (i.e. his own life) and died the way people would.
Yes, he was born from a woman without a father. You can say the Flesh of Jesus was "Created" if you'd like, but to Christians, "Creator" and "Father" mean the same thing.
For question 2. Jesus Himself fortold of his own death. In fact, many of the Gospels highlighted this. He KNEW he was gonna die and even prayed about that before his death. There was no exact copy of Jesus in any historical document (except maybe the muslim's versions which were 600 years LATER)
It's more important to Christians, though, that Jesus... actually God rose above death and was resurrected!
2006-10-15 16:14:52
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answered by JG 3
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God was not just the maker of Jesus because Jesus was God incarnate (God in the flesh). That meant that God gave Jesus His qualities that He didn't give to normal human beings. Jesus was perfect and without sin.
Jesus was executed because He had to be. His whole purpose was to become the perfect sacrifice for the sins of humankind, and to do that, blood had to be shed. This was the requirement of the sacrifice. If someone else was killed, what would be the point of God sending Jesus? The other person that you think was executed had no authority to take on the sins of the world and offer salvation from them. Only Jesus, God's Son, had that authority.
2006-10-15 16:15:28
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answered by Iamnotarobot (former believer) 6
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A-1: We Christians believe that as Our Maker, God IS the Father Of all of us. However, in Jesus'Case, He Was Begotten By the Father, as Jesus Pre-existed His Birth, & Had Co-Exist with the Father & the Holy Spirit As 1 God, throughout all eternity.
A-2: First please allow me to throw the question back at you: why do you Muslims believe that God Made Judas Iscariot(the traitor)look like Jesus, in order so that he would be crucified, in His Place?
Christ's Passion, Death, & Resurrection From the Dead, Saved humanity from all our sins, & ultimately, from Eternal Damnation. Christ's Crucifixion Was an Offering To the Father Himself, on all our behalves.
This does not mean that Judas Iscariot did not go unpunished for his treachery. Judas Iscariot is the most cursed man in the entire Bible, for his betrayal. Upon realizing what he had done, Judas Iscariot committed suicide, thus completing his alienation from God, for all eternity.
2006-10-15 16:22:59
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answered by clusium1971 7
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I do not mean to offend you, sir, but in order for you to come even close to understanding the Trinity (the essense of your question) you must accept an extremely difficult concept, and I don't think you can. It is this:
a baby comes from a mother and a father.
I know it is a difficult concept for a Muslem, because when ever I ask a Muslem where a baby comes from, they fall silent, and refuse to answer me. Hear it is is in another way so you understand:
It takes a mother and a father to make a baby.
You see, the family of the Muslem is based on the dominating power of the husband. The family of the Christian is based on mutual submission of both husband and wife, because we believe the family is made in the image and likeness of God. Here it is again in another way so you understand:
The human family is the closest analogy you will ever find into understanding the Trinity.
This concept is as difficult for you as the Incarnation is for you and the Jew. It took the Church 5 centuries to develope Trinitarian theology, and putting it into this kind of format is impossible.
Since the Muslem mind refuses to believe the human family as a reflection of the Trinity as described in Genesis, it is impossible to explain it to you, without the power of the Holy Spirit illuminating your mind and heart first.
You must keep seeking.
2006-10-15 16:39:16
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answered by Anonymous
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I am a Christian, but I have also learned in my years as a Christian, that there are many mysteries in the Word of God, which our human minds cannot comprehend, or understand. Jesus said that He and the Father were one. (John 10:30) It is hard for us to understand how Jesus and the Father could be one person; yet they are. God has existed always. He has no beginning or no end. We might as well not attempt to try to fully understand everything in the Word of God, for we will never succeed in doing so. And I know that Jesus died, or was executed on the cross at Calvary, simply because God's Word tells me very plainly of such. And I choose to believe the Word of God above every other teaching; because God has proved to me many times that it is true; from Genesis to Revelation.
2006-10-15 16:21:28
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answered by Calvin S 4
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Jesus is not created because it spells it out in the old testament a reliable holy book with reliable prophets he is the Son of God =God because only God can save the world from its sin
Jesus was exectued as an Ultimate Sacrafice for the sins of the world
Id look into history and see what early people believed and where mohammed got the concept of "allah"
2006-10-15 16:11:20
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answered by Anonymous
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