Okay Muslims, You said you believed in the Torah, didn't Jacob/Israel have the birthright in the Torah?

Question

Genesis 27:26 And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.
27 And he came near, and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the LORD hath blessed:
28 Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine:
29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.


At least try to understand, Jacob was renamed Israel, and these promises were to him, not Ishmael.

If you say that you believe in the Torah, then these are true, unless you are not aware that you don't believe? Doesn't the Qu'ran tell you to believe the Torah? Or did Muhammed not know what he was talking about?

Dennis J,
That this promise says that Israel got this promise. That's who Jacob is, the same person. And that those that curse Israel will be cursed. That's what it says, and what is Ishamael doing? Cursing Israel, to this day. Isn't that so?

abdulaziiz,
The Lost sheep of Israel were the Northern Tribes of Israel. Hey! Don't you guys read the Torah? I though that you said you believed in it! What gives?

Artist,
These verses aren't talking about prophets. Could you stick to these verses please?

Writer of Truth,
(shhhh)

I know already.

Kimo,
That jumps around a lot! I am just talking about these verses. Can't you people concentrate?

arewethereyet,
I think that I posted you answer already. Chapter and verse are there in case you want to check it out. And the reasons I posted pretty thouroughly. Why can't anyone get this? What's the boggle?

aali_and_harith,
I expected that kind of tangent. I repeat: What do these verses mean?!!!

jn168issamuhammad,
Thank you for your post. Alas you have only fed the fire. You have opened up Jeremiah, Ezekiel (!), the Gospels, Revelations, and Romans to scriptural interpretation! Do Muslims believe them? No. They do not. I find it limited that Muslims should pick and choose little pieces, and there remains the whole truth to be told!
For Jesus is manifested as God in the Flesh. To say otherwise, according to those Gospels, is heresy. The reason why it's heresy is because the same Gospels you yourself quote from, has Jesus admiting that He is from everlasting to everlasting. Not a Muslim priority, wouldn't you say?
As to your conclusion to draw that Muslims believe what Jesus said. I will prove you wrong. They only believe the parts of what Jesus says to fulfill the desires of the Qu' ran and their teachers that preach different than Jesus the Christ.

Stay tuned.

Answer 1

Great question, but just so you know, you're not going to get an answer that makes any sense.

Answer 2

It was a covenant, I think repeatedly killing God's Prophets broke this covenant?! Jesus warned the Lost Sheep of Israel in the Bible. He said he was a last chance to them or God would remove the land from them..
'Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.'
do you think they treated Jesus well?

Have you read in the Torah were God says he will raise up a Great Nation from the descendants of Ishmael?

Answer 3

First, Im no longer Muslims, yet ideas do count huge type and so does learn, because of fact muslims are diverse from anybody else interior the worldwide, have self assurance it or no longer; they are additionally sons of abraham and the Torah teaches alot yet no longer each little thing interior the torah is all precise because of fact that is been rewritten a number of circumstances interior the minds of the zionists ecu jews, Muslims do have self assurance interior the comparable god; its in simple terms there believes are lots greater diverse then, the arab christians and hebrews. the two way you notice it; the two arab christians and hebrews,Muslims our brothers coming from the comparable kin, inspite of what different communits has to declare approximately it,Muslims have self assurance Mohammad is there relish , whilst on the two arab christians and Hebrew have self assurance he become basically a messanger from god no longer something greater. For the 2d time, Im no longer a muslim; and that i do no longer think what human beings think of or say because of fact "phrases mean no longer something" yet i visit declare for Israel to disclaim the 1st sons like palestinians christians and muslims and all different arab christians, Israel can be denied because it become then and nevertheless on the instant,the two way it quite works the two procedures. Muslims basically shop on with gods commandments in simple terms as all arab christians do. maximum Hebrews nevertheless shop on with there very own regulations and ignore approximately gods commandments, greater on the instant has accompanied the two god and there very own regulations, yet on the instant, no longer all are like that. The torah, have self assurance it or no longer ,the exterior worldwide might dislike it, yet one ingredient The Torah genuinely performs a super place whilst it incorporates the subsequent coming of christ and interpreting the extremely date of his return. putting all 3 bible mutually Arabic Greek and the Hebrew bible you will locate the respond you look for. The Torah isn't each little thing, the exterior worldwide won't like Muslims, yet understand this, the worldwide might look at them as enemies, yet we do have a small background individuals and hebrews with arabs combating mutually. look it up and do learn it happend interior the 60s in afgan.

Answer 4

We ad Muslims believe that the Torah is a book of revelation to the people. There's a difference here.

Answer 5

I believe in The Torah, the Quran also confirms that the descendents of Abraham will be prophets. Yes, I believe in what was send down to Abraham, and Issac, and Jesus, and David, and Joseph, and Lot, Muhammad, and all the prophets of God.

[3:84] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."

*Peace brother* Do you read the bible?... Ishmael was also blessed...

Answer 6

1- According to Torah .. God blessed both Isaac and ismael.
2- Yes we believe God made a promise with isaac.
3- According to NT prophethood had to be taken away from Jews, because they breach of their covenant .. and was giving to another nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. .. of course the prophethood had to go to the sons of ishmael .. didn't it?

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Mat 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

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You asked if God made a convenet with isaac .. and i said yes.

and even Qura'n confirm this fact .. God sent plenty of prophets to the children of israel including Jesus , and didn't send anyone after ismael to arabs untill jews became cursed by God and the prophethood went to Arabs.

[Qura'n 5:12-13]
God did aforetime take a convenient from the children of Israel, and we appointed twelve captains among them. and God said: I am with you: if ye (but) establish regular prayers, practise regular charity believe in my apostles, honor and assist them, and loan to God a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he truly wandered from the path of rectitude.

But because of their breach of their covenant, we cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard: they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them barring a few ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind.

Answer 7

the only thing better than the truth is the whole truth. the quran teaches muslims to believe in the torah as well as the gospel. but starting with the ot - isreal is refferred to as "babylon" in ezekiel ch. 16. after God had blessed isreal and isreal had become ruler over other kingdoms according to previous promises and reaching its climax under the rule of david and solomon they rebelled. jereboam defected with judah and benjamin and immediately set up 6 golden calves for the 10 "fallen" tribes of isreal to worship. from that point forward isreal become full of idolatry and lost there way and there promise. God refers to them as a whore - actually worse then a whore because they payed their lovers to defile them(ezek. 16). in jeremiah ch. 9 says that God will destroy "all" those who are circumsise with the uncircumcision of the heart (ie: jews - those who say they are jews(sons of faith) but are not but are the synagogue of satan (revelations 2:9 & 3:9 - gospel). paul also addressed this in romans ch. 9 - "not all those who are born as isrealites are isrealites neither because they are the seed of abraham are they all his children but in isaac shall thy seed (christ) be called. that is those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God but the children of the promise (of faith) are counted as abrahams seed". that is whether they are born as jews or not. the fact is that jesus ( peace be upon him ) was sent as fulfillment of prophecy to save a remnant of the jews and indeed most of them reject him as the true messiah to this day and are still waiting for "moshiach" ( the anti-christ ) to be their messiah. that is why jesus called them vipers and hypocrites and the synagogue of satan and he said that this s s would persecute the true believers by making a pact with the gog and magog people (ezek 38 & 39) who would bring them back to the land after it had been brought back from the sword (note-- the muslims controlled the promise lan for about 1400 yrs of peace and that peace was not disturbed until 1948 when the gog and magog people went in and slaughtered palestinian men women and children and kicked the rest out of their sovereign land and there has been nothing but turmoil every since). so you see that the true children of abraham are those who have the same faith that abraham had and it doesn't matter whether you were a descendant of isaac ishmeal or some other guy. if you don't believe this then you are a racist who believes that your birth place determines your superiority or the lack the of. islam is a single brother hood for all mankind whether black white red yellow jew or gentile. since the beginning of islam kings have prayed sholder to sholder with peasants with no respect of persons and women have had the right to own property receive inherritance, buy sale and trade and all other things that men can do including fight in the infantry in wars. the rest of the world has only recently caught up with this original democracy and is pointing the hypocritical finger at the originators of peace love and unity of all man "and woman" kind. but that is the precise character of satan who refused to bow before man in service and has been trying to divide and conquer him ever since. this is the last great deception. the quran says to do your duty to Allah and obey jesus and jesus said that those who follow his teachings would be hated by all nations over his name. muslims do not invoke his name, rather we invoke the name of God as jesus himself did and in this way we follow in his example and this is maturity (hebrews 6:1) and jesus calls us his brothers (hebrews 2:10-15) while others call him their god in ignorance and while still others call him a false prophet in their satanic nature. WAKE UP!

Answer 8

Yes, you may be right in everything you said above, but what is your point?

Answer 9

I'm with the other answerer .... what's your point?

Birthright to what? C'mon, be more specific