If we allow non USA folks to come here to work, is it a good idea ...?

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to NOT allow these same people who are here to work, to bring any other family members with them?
In other words, if a married man wants to come here to pick lettuce and has a wife and children, that man can come and work but the wife can not come if she is not working here in the US and most certainly the children are not allowed to come (under any circumstances) as they are clearly non productive, non worker types.
This would allow us the workers we need, and no other, non productive contributing people could/would legally be allowed in the country unless they went through proper channels of immigration.
We/the corporations would have our cheap labor that everyone seems to want, and the "blood sucking" aspect of illegal immigration would be minimized at our schools and and social services aspects. Plus we wouldn't have skads of pregnant women and large families competing with Americans for the services we all pay taxes for and have worked all our lives to have should we need th

ely: You miss the point. We are trying to SAVE America FOR all the Americans you mention in your retort!

Yes! We do have such programs in place but the truth of the matter is, our government is corrupt, it is criminal, it is not doing it's job and purpose and if the gov. guys don't get it together soon, this American world is going to come crashing down around our heads. In many ways it is doing so now.
Compromise on some issues is usually the answer to solving certain kinds of problems. We can compromise on worker programs (we already have ...due to illegal immigration been compromised)
but we CANNOT compromise on citizenship/legal immigration mandates. We must maintain our legal/lawful status or we are finished.

Answer 1

IMMIGRATION IN THE 20TH AND 21ST CENTURY - THE CURSE OF CIVILIZED NATIONS AND DECENT PEOPLES.

Immigration to America in the 17th to 19th century was by decent, hardworking, well intentioned people, heading to America with honorable intentions to build and contribute to society. They created a workable social system with benefits to the deserving and a society of well-intentioned and decent people. But no such people come any more.

Now they come in droves, packing the major cities, causing an increase in crime, congestion, and taxes as real estate rents soar, parking is unavailable or exorbitantly high. Americans who took their entire lives to pay off their home mortgages, now find that the taxes on their homes are so high, they cant afford to live in them any more and the congestion so bad, they cant even find a place to park in front of their own homes. Many have to pack up and move out of the city, just to make ends meet, and then face the arduous daily hours of driving back and forth just to get to work and back home. That is, those that still have jobs, since as this goes on, jobs disappear, either right here where we get laid off, or the whole company moves out to a cheap labor country. And as the hordes make demands for energy needs, the demand for gas soars, heating prices skyrocket, our own supply becomes insufficient to meet our own needs, and we become victims of the arabs, who use the pumps to revenge our policies they don’t like.

They pile over the borders or by plane on visitor visas, preying on the good naturedness of Americans to provide a refuge for the oppressed, they connive the appearance of the downtrodden and persecuted, and then sit down comfortably and stay here, leeching off the health care system which faces bankruptcy in 20 years, the welfare system that us sucker u.s. taxpayers have to pick up the tab for, and which we spent decades to build.

Social parasites from latin america, flock here to live free on us sucker taxpayers, dragging their families and relatives in, once they get green cards and then swamping the health care system with their third world illnesses and birth defects. And the other breed of latinos – criminals of the most evil intensities terrorizing communities in which they rob and kill.

Thieves and common criminals from the countries of eastern Europe and the soviet union, hearing that there is still stuff on store shelves when stores close, that hasn’t been shoplifted or sold, come and steal, with impunity.

Mafia organizations that control Russia and the countries of the former soviet union, setting up foreign crime systems that specialize in grand larceny, weaponry, even nuclear arms materials for sale, stolen from the old soviet system, available for sale to our enemies, raking them million$.

Africans with strange ,deadly diseases walk in, causing epidemics and death to our gay citizens and to innocent people in general and swamping the health care system.

Asians with alien religious philosophies, contrary to Christian monotheism, poisoning the minds of our youth. And they come and take our jobs away here in America, while employers, enticed by cheap labor, move their companies there, leaving us unemployed,.

Terrorists walk in and go about their death tactics with ease and we shudder at what they will do to us next.

All, contributing to crime, violence, social unrest.

Finally, To add insult to this injury, our government picks up the tab for hundreds of
thousands of third world “students” to come, pack our universities tuition free at the expense of us US taxpayers ,while we Americans fall into debt to pay for our own children to get a college education.
AND WE ARE EXPECTED TO PICK UP THE TAB WORLDWIDE
FOR THEM, WHENEVER SH!T HAPPENS ANYWHERE.
What kind of fools are running this country?
What kind of fools are we to let this go on?

Answer 2

I beleive the ag business is about the only one who has a valid point of needing TEMPORARY guest workers. I agree it should be ONLY the worker and not the rest of the family. Also that they must leave. I don't agree with the 3 yr. deal and bringing the family because it's going to go right back to ,well the kids are in school, we have a life here now, and all the rest. There are plenty of regular Americans who travel for their jobs and can't bring the family along. I have known people who took jobs overseas and they weren't allowed to bring their families. But again it's going to require enforcement and they aren't close to being able to follow-up on anything. I just wonder if they can't understand the difference between legal and illegal...how are they going to grasp TEMPORARY GUEST worker? Until they straighten up this business with anchor babies the problem with "my child is a citizen "is going to remain. Because there are women who work those jobs as well and may come in pregnant and have that baby during their stay. There's too many loop holes that need to be closed tight before they do this. But if there's reform....these are the issues that need worked on. Do that and have the ability to enforce it and that would be workable. It would be heavy responsibility on the employers as well and lots of checks to make sure these people were treated well, paid fairly, and the other things mentioned with housing and insurance. And most of all....that they keep there nose clean while they are here (no crimes) and that they leave.

Answer 3

Yes. I think the only guest worker program need that stands up to scrutiny is the one for agriculture, because the work is seasonal and need for housing is year long, so the work doesn't pay to live here. Mind you, I think employers should raise wages out of the poverty level, a 40% raise which would increase the cost of produce to a family of 4 by $10. However, I also think these are not desirable jobs for Americans and a seasonal program should be in place like the H2B visa (which was just extended for another year) where the employer provides housing and medical, and the worker does not bring family, but comes seasonally, and has to show they left to be hired again.

I think the program could be made simpler by having 'qualified workers' registered so an employer who figures out they won't have enough workers doesn't have to, only after determining that, fill out paperwork and try to find workers in Mexico. They could just hire from a data base of 'approved workers'.

However, I definitely think it needs to remain seasonal, with no path to citizenship or bringing of family. I wouldn't preclude seasonal workers from applying like everyone else for a regular green card or whatever, under normal quotas, but I wouldn't increase the quota either. Even agribusiness says the problem is once they can get better jobs, they leave agriculture. It would be a neverending 'end run' of our immigration quotas, otherwise, to the detriment of schools and services.

Remember this when they discuss 'AgJobs' after the election. AgJobs would give a green card and ability to bring family to anyone working in agriculture 3 years. Then they assume they will have to hire new people, as those people will move to jobs like construction. That is the whole problem. Even illegals, once here, don't want to do these jobs. On the other hand, they pay well from the point of view of a farm worker in Mexico who can go back home in the off-season with their wages, and relax the rest of the year.

Answer 4

I really think that if supporters of illegal immigrants were forced to live in closed communities with the criminals (especially the gang members- that makes up most of them) they would change their views pretty quickly. Or if they could only hire illegals to do skilled labor, their projects would look so shitty that they'd eventually agree with us.
Who's the idiot below me?
You obviously don't understand what's going on. We don't complain about having to pay for citizens. Why do you think we'd deport them? There's nothing wrong with them. Plus it would be wrong to send them off when they did nothing wrong. And if you're going to say the illegals didn't do anything wrong either, then you need to just stop arguing. They did something wrong when they came into this country. They did something wrong when they took jobs from Americans. They did something wrong when they committed other crimes here. On top of that, they have no rights in America, so there is nothing wrong with deporting them. Also, we did not come here illegaly originally (I'm assuming you are talking about the civilization and settlement of America). The archaic Americans did not have any laws concerning immigration, nor were they a single nation anyway. FYI, war and unintentional spreading of disease were not against the law either.

Answer 5

How about a 15-year total moratorium on immigration, period? Let's get americans out there in the fields or whatever, and not have this business anymore. Other countries can grow stuff on their own land, they've been doing it for decades, no reason to change now, you can get imported produce from all over the world, and personally I don't think your employability should be a big factor in trying to move to a different country.

Slavery got abolished for a reason, because we didn't want a permanent underclass whose only purpose was to work.

LEGAL immigration ONLY, and just forget the rest of it. They talk about stuff like guest workers, but I think that idea's been put back on the shelf until they can see clear to sort out even how MANY illegal aliens there are in our country to begin with, because no one's really sure.

Did you know that in the 20th century, the US added about 200 million people? Well, now the wells are drying out in some places from over-demand. Some cities are deemed just about unlivable because of the congestion, pollution's on the rise, more cars than the roads can handle, jails and prisons are a big-time growth industry, and world-wide there's been a massive population boom, too. If we blow out our infrastructure, close down our schools and hospitals due to too much demand and not enough money, all to try and compensate for lack of good civic planning in other countries, then what are we left with, exactly? What, indeed...some things are more important than bargain produce...grow your own tomatoes at HOME if you can't afford store-bought etc...

Answer 6

Well, why don't we deport all the children and wives of American citizens who don't work as well...then the system won't be drained at all.

Hey, why don't you revoke citizenship of all seniors, disabled and mentally challenged people too.

Oh, and when people get sick, boot em out.

DUI? falsley accused?? Who cares...you are out!

You could completely eliminate social systems all togther then.

Are you saying that these people would not have to pay taxes to the American government on the money they earn? Would these people be legal or illegal? Seems to me if they pay taxes at similar rates as citizens, then they should be entitled to all benefits and freedoms that the citizens are entitled.

Practially sounds to me that you are basically prettying up slavery.

What ever happened to the good ol' melting pot? America is a country founded on immigration. The first ones here were illegals too.

Answer 7

I think we should get out of the illegals out of our country (Attrition thru Enforcement) then put all able bodied welfare people to work (including women with small children) pay them a decent wage, then take stock of workers we actually need and act accordingly. Of course, this is much to logical for our government - doesn't penalize middle-class Americans enough!

Answer 8

We already have a agriculture guest worker program in place. That allows the migrant worker to come work and go home.

Just, that worker program is not designed for 12 million boarder leapers.

We simply have to use the laws we already have in place and abide by the program rules.

Answer 9

You mean like the way Canada handles migrant workers? Yea I think they have a good system going.

Answer 10

I think we already have that in place, unfortunately it doesn't work