Abortion: Is the Good news Bad?

Question

The Good news is:
I have been searching for a spokesman for the pro life movement that can supply even one verse in the Bible that says abortion is wrong. And not one person can give a verse that states abortion is killing, death, wrong, a sin, or any other term to support the pro life agenda. There have been numerous examples of people backing each other up without any evidence. But there has been no proof that what they believe is supported by God.
Of course the good news for Christians is bad news for the believers in pro life. The pro life movement must now change or be seen as unreasonable or non-christian. However, the same logic that leads God to abort also leads a reasonable person to abort. Therefore, there is no support outside the Bible for the pro life movement. And that is the final bad news for their movement.

Spirit Walker:
Is every death murder. Of course not and you cannot use a statement about murder unless you can supply a statement that says that abortion is murder. The problem you have is that no where is abortion called death, killing or anything else to support your claim. And God himself uses abortion to make his world better. And when God causes death, he does not consider it harmful, in fact he states that it leads to eternal life for believers. You must therefore show that not only is there murder in abortion, you must prove that there is death that is harmful. And you can't.
Roxy: Nothing you quote states that abortion is wrong. You must answer with a proof that abortion by God is wrong and that an abortion that God tells a woman to have is wrong. And you can't.

Countrybumpkin:
If God told my mother to abort me, then it would be his will. But God had me born specifically to help people such as yourself see that your pro life movement has no support from God. I believe that when a woman choses abortion, then it is God's will for mankind. And the proof is that God himself uses abortion to do his will. If you think otherwise, I challenge you to post your proof here.

Whitehorse:
God clearly created my inmost being and knit me together in my mothers womb as you say. He also on occasion takes the fetus from the womb. He does not kill when this is done. The proof is that every person is taken from this earth. And he does not murder these people. He simply ends their life. And he says that this is nothing to fear and that it is actually an elevation in position. When God instructs a woman to abort, then he is doing what is best for the rest of humanity. He loves us and guides humanity to its highest plane. When you go against his will and attempt to change the course of events, you make the world a harder place for the rest of us. To make women feel awful for doing what God commands, makes it hard for them to feel the way God planned for them to feel and obstructs God's path.

No name:
Your point carries no weight at all. Not only does God omit abortion as a sin in the Bible, he practices abortion and calls us to follow him and do as he does. If God omitted running over people in cars as a sin, and if he himself ran over people with cars, then it would not be a sin. In the OT God says do not kill and then he gives an example of not killing but allowing death in the fact that he uses abortion. And there is no doubt that God loves us and sets up the Universe in such a way to maximize that love. It is when people go against Gods will by denying abortion that things go wrong. You do not know God's plan. And it seems that even with abortion, the planet is well populated. And that is where you have a problem. Even with abortion, God stands in the way of the pro life movement and creates a better life for all mankind and continues to do his will with abortion. I pray you do not interfer with God's plan any further.

Your argument that I say that it is ok to kill because God told me to fails in that you have not proved that there is any killing in abortion. I challenge you to post even one reference that proves your point. You can't!
And it is different when I say abortion is ok --- it is ok because God himself commits abortion. There can be no murder unless you think God is a murderer. This stuff is really simple, I can't believe that you don't get it. I believe that you simply read what you want, and ignore God's will.

Bibleninj:
There is not one verse that is taken from the Bible that supports your pro life view. All that has been posted is excuse after excuse that pro lifers use to cover up their sin. And it is natural for sinners to cover up what they do with falsehoods. I challenge you to post your strongest verse in support of the pro life movement. I will show you clearly how it is not supported in the Bible. You have no proof.

Bibleninja:
I am glad to see that you admit there is not one verse in the Bible to support your views. The truth is that God demands that we follow his ways. One of the things that God does is use abortion to make his world a better place. Not only does the Bible not say that abortion is wrong, it tells us that God wants us to follow his ways and use abortion to make his world follow his plan. When a woman prays to God and seeks advice about abortion and God says abort, then he is directing a woman to have an abortion. When you and your kind make that woman feel guilty about abortion, you are committing a grave sin. I hope you will repent. If God showed examples of men being shot in the fact and said it is not murder, then it would not be murder. And when God tells a woman to abort and she does then it is not murder, because by example God himself aborts. When God told his people to kill for sin and they did it was not murder. The same is true in abortion. There is no death, or murder

Leviticus proves my point. There is life and some of that life is aborted by God. Therefore because God does not murder, there is no murder in abortion. Your argument is simply an excuse for you to sin.
Exodus proves that there is no murder in abortion, because God does not murder and no murder can occur if God tells a woman to abort.
God aborts fetuses all the time that are infused with blood. Is God a murder or are you simply covering up your own sin. I believe that you get a rush out of calling people murderers and makeing up excuses to demean women. Tell the truth today, do you enjoy your pro life abuses. I will bet you that you get a rush out of abusing other people. I think that you should repent of your sins.

Regina p
Your problem regina is that you fail to admit that no where in the Bible is abortion called killing, murder, death or anything that would give you the right to kill another. When God ends a pregnancy, are you saying he is murdering a child. I think you are wrong. God does not kill innocent children. So you are completely wrong.
If God tells a women to abort, he is simply doing it himself if she serves the lord. If you fail to abort when God says to abort, then you are going against God's will and you are sinning. The pro life movement will more than likely have to depend on Grace to avoid hell. I am all for God saving you, but it is up to him. I believe you will most likely not go to hell if you confess to God your sin of stopping his planned abortion and causing women to suffer needlessly. But many women who are doing what God tells them to do and following his will have suffered because of your lies. And many more will suffer if you don't change.

Answer 1

u are sick and twisted in your beliefs, so i have to ask u, if i was to pray to God and ask if i could kill u, and i felt that is what i should do then do u think i will go to hell, sure i will because its called murder , thou shalt not murder,
another question is, y would God need us to have abortions when he can simply do it his self, that tells me that if u carry a baby to term and it lives then that baby was meant to be here, if not then it was God s will for u to miscarry,not abort.

see when God takes some1 life it is his right because He is our maker and he can take us when He wants but it is not our right to play God and have abortions or murder ppl ,

get the difference,, i sure hope so because you are twisted

Answer 2

You have been given verse after verse explaining why abortion is wrong. What do you want, a verse that specifically says "Do not have abortions, God doesn't like it, and it is wrong"? That is just ridiculous, there are not verses specifically worded for every situation. For instance; you cannot shoot a man in the face and say that God did not say its wrong because the bible says "do not murder" and did not specifically say "Do not shoot a man in the face"!
You say there are no verses supporting Pro-Life, I will give you a few more.
1. Leviticus 17:11
'For the life of the flesh is in the blood...'
This verse basically states that all babies have "life" the moment blood circulates through it. Science shows us that blood starts circulating in a fetus about 18-22 days after conception.
2. Exodus 20:13
"You shall not murder"

Aborting a baby after it is infused with blood/life, which is 18-22 days after conception, is MURDER according to the bible.

Answer 3

There is no support outside of the Bible. Thou shalt not kill is one of the commandments set forth by God. Abortion is KILLING.

Here are passages that point to Bible versus that would support abortion being wrong.

"Begat sons and daughters" Gen 5:3,4,28-30

1. Begat always refers to conception and fertilization

"children & sons in womb" Gen 25:21-22; 2 Ki 19:3; Ruth 1:11

"a man child conceived" Job 3:3

1. notice the difference: day of birth, night conceived see Rev 12:5 "man child born"

"mother" of unborn child Num 12:12; Lk 1:43

Rom 9:11 for though the twins were not yet born, and had not done anything good or bad

"baby leapt for joy" in mother's womb Lk 1:41,44

conceived a "son" Lk 1:36; Acts 7:29

Answer 4

Since their 'god' (nature) tosses out 1/2 of the fertilized eggs in the first place, he's a mass abortionist on his own. It's totally illogical to think a powerful 'god' that does that would be against abortions since 'he' performs them constantly.

Answer 5

abortion. Just suppose your mother decided it was better to terminate your life than let you live. So it would be your mother who makes the decision of life and death. The Bible states the power of life and death is in God;s hands and His hands only. So by making that decision your mother is actually playing God. You would have as a baby no choice which you mother took away from you by aborting you.

Answer 6

It is written in the Psalms, “…you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb…When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body.”

And so as this validates that God considers the baby in the womb to represent a living being, does not the commandment prohibiting murder clearly apply to abortion?

Also, you say "God uses abortion..." perhaps referring to a naturally occurring process of eggs being "aborted" during the process of a woman becoming pregnant or to abortions that occur naturally because of complications, etc that are not induced by man. You also say, "And when God causes death, he does not consider it harmful, in fact he states that it leads to eternal life for believers." But lets apply your reasoning...According to this reasoning then you can say that God allows natural disasters to take place in which people are killed. And if He allows people to die like this, does that then give you the right to determine who lives and who dies? God has also even commanded (under the Old Covenant) that certain men go to war against certain peoples and destroy them all. So does that give you the right to kill without permission from God?

You may be able to argue from a standpoint of human wisdom that abortion is justifiable, but certainly not from a standpoint of what God has said....

Answer 7

Most likely, your point isn't that God did not clearly teach us not to kill one another but that He never specifically said, "Don't have an abortion." He also never specifically taught, "Don't run over one another with your cars." I guess He thought we would know that how you kill one another is irrelevant when you're clearly told not to do so. Hmmm... go figure.

OT:
"You shall not kill." (Exodus 20:13)

NT:
"And a second [greatest commandment] is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Matthew 22:39)
"The second [greatest commandment] is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." (Mark 12:31)
"And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them." (Luke 6:31)
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself." (Luke 10:27)
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another." (John 13:34)
"This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you." (John 15:12)
"The commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,' and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Romans 13:9-10)

Edit:
Got to love the "God causes abortions all the time" argument. In that context, God allows all death. That doesn't mean that God accepts us killing one another (especially when He specifically told us not to do so) because, hey, "He does it." I don't know if you've noticed, but we're not God.

Edit:
As far as killing another human being because, "God told me to do it." (Thought that was usually the devil?) This "excuse" isn't particular to mothers who abort their child/ren. It's also used my mass murderers and mothers who kill their children at any stage in development.

Edit:
You stated that abortion isn't mentioned in the Bible. I'm simply pointing out that neither is running one another over with cars.

God allows spontaneous abortion and all death. If God allowing spontaneous abortion means that He wants us to abort (your point, not mine); then you must follow your argument through to say that God allowing people to die means that He wants us to kill other people. My point is that He told us NOT to do that. Induced abortion is nothing like a miscarriage in the same way killing someone is nothing like their dying a natural death. One is natural (or "caused by God" in your theory) while the other is induced... ie INDUCED abortion. We're working from your thesis, not mine.

Well, at least we've finally gotten to the bottom of your delusion. Your whole spiel about God as an abortionist giving us permission to abort our children is just a red herring. In the end, your hypothesis is that abortion is not killing. To kill is to cause the death of a living being. In this case, causing the death of a living human being. An embryo/fetus is a living being of the human species. Abortion ends that life.

Answer 8

I'm male. I have no right to have an opinion on abortion.

Answer 9

Well there's a surprise.

Guess what people? It's my body and I can do with what I please. Oh, and btw did I mention that I also vote? Women have rights that you (pro-lifers) CANNOT take away. Get over it.

Answer 10

How about, "Thou shalt not commit murder."? That seems to cover it.