Religion, God, Atheists?

Question

I'm tired of people comparing God to imaginary things. The difference between your made up “people” and God is huge. The bible and God have been around before this country was founded, how can you question something like this? Something that MILLIONS of people trust, believe, and love? The last thought though an atheists head .. is it "Oh Sh it!"? Questioning God is something they love to do, is it for the hell of it? Or do you actually believe the garbage you say you do. I don't understand the ignorance of people who mock God. I'm not talking about any religion in particular, I'm talking about atheists and their belief in God. Last time I asked a questions about their belief in God, not one ATHEIST was able to answer logically. Someone who wasn’t had to do it for them. How are you so sure God doesn’t exist? Don’t answer my questions with questions, I’d like logical answers.

How am I shoving my religion in your face? Once again, no logical answers to why you believe God exists. Pink invisible unicorn.. wow, this makes so much sense??? The difference being, people actually BELIEVE IN GOD!!! Do you feel threatened by something you can't explain, but claim to believe in? Is that why you're not answering the questions?

Answer 1

Jenna, there is just as much evidence that God is there and is just what He says that He is as the atheist have that He is not there. When it comes right down to it it's a lead of faith. They are leaping at the idea that life sprain from lifelessness. That the natural universe we are all member of just happened to be here. I don't have the amount of faith to buy into that idea. When work needs to be done it stays undone until I do it. No amount of thinking that order will continue in my job or my home without effort gets it done. No star system no animal that ever exited ever just was without God's outside effort.. That's just natural to me... Jim

Answer 2

The difference between imaginary people and your sky daddy, is that people still believe in the sky daddy. Just because millions of people suffer from the same delusion it does not make it true. There is no logical reason to believe in it, so I do not. the fact that your little book of contradictions predates whatever country you are talking about in no way validates it. Many other counties existed before this book, and will remain long after it is filed in the mythology bin.

Believe whatever gives you comfort, but do not try to push any of your biblical values off on me, and do not suggest that I question your god, as there is no god, and all prophets are false.

Additional Details
No, Invisible Pink Unicorns indeed do NOT make sense. and if they were written about in a 2000 year old book they still would not make sense. I do not feel threatened by that which I do not understand. People that have problems with the unknown say "Oh? God must have done it!" It is called the god gap. People like to blame god for what they don't/can't understand. Take earthquakes, lightning and the plague. 500 years ago: god did it!

Answer 3

With all due respect, your remarks are replete with logical errors.
That the Bible is older than this country means what? That the earth is flat is an idea older than this country. Millions of people believed that, too. Numbers of believers does not equal "it's true."
"God has been around a long time," besides begging the question, does not provide any proof - BELIEF in God has been around a long time, and there are reasons for that other than any supposed truth in it.

Some atheists, like some Christians, are not very adept at stating their case, but most atheists are indeed very articulate about it. That you found a few who were tongue-tied or inept hardly means that atheists are incapable of proper discourse. And of course, that is still another logical error on your part.

Still another logical error, one that is not just common, but virtually the rule with believers, is that of mistaking belief for facts. That and the inability to understand that because they believe, they cannot be persuaded otherwise, and so they reject logical argument as false: they say, "God exists. Therefore arguments showing he doesn't are false." Which is a logical error.

Let's move on to logic. In logic, that a thing does not exist is not provable. It can always be said to exist in some way. So in logic, the burden of proof is always to show that a thing does exist. And this brings up the problem that this God is said to have qualities that cannot be detected by rational means. Science cannot measure the qualities attributed to God...there is no test for God, no experiment for God. A scientific theory is a theory that can be DISPROVEN. If there is no test, no experiment, and since logic cannot show non-existence, then the theory that there is a God is not a scientific theory.

Logical "proofs" of God have been around a very long time, and for a very long time, their errors have been pointed out.

Still the useless debate goes on. You believe in God, or you do not believe in God [or believe God is non-existant]. There is no proof, and can be no proof, in logic or science, either way.

Answer 4

Perhaps it is YOU that refuses to see the logic in an Atheist's answer because it counters your blind faith in God.

So you're female, right? Let's say one crazy person says you're a man; no big deal. What about ten crazy people? A thousand?

How many people agreeing that you are a man would it take to convince you that it was true? Even if you were never convinced, would two billion people all thinking you're a man make it even the slightest bit true? Can belief alter reality, and if so would you grow a schlong after crazy guy #2,000,000,001 cast his vote?

I doubt it.

So what if, thousands of years ago, one crazy person made something up to explain what his primitive experience cound not comprehend and a God was born? What if more people though he was right and wrote down everything that they coudn't explain in a big book about this God, and over two millenia it became the religion that you sell your entire being into.

Does that make it the TRUTH? Does an illogical belief create reality? Can billions of crazy people make God (or your new johnson) real?

You have not SEEN God, you have not HEARD God, and you have NO PROOF that God actually exists. All you have is a faith based on a story, and can't accept the fact that consensus is not fact based. You have billions of other people that agree with you about something, but from my perspective you're just one crazy person trying to refute something that their ignorance cannot comprehend:

Logic.

Answer 5

I personally don't believe in a god. The very idea there is some old guy (substitute whichever view you have according to your faith) up there that has a clipboard and is scoring us on whether we do or don't do x,y or z is, in my view ludicrous.

You say there is a long history of belief in god. True, but where is the proof? It is belief or faith, not knowledge. The bible, koran, torah etc are all tracable to man. There is NO PROOF of a god ... simply a wish for one because "man" can't stand the idea that s/he is alone in the universe.

The very fact that ALL religions conflict on fundamental rules and tenants (otherwise they are not different religions)... yet ALL were supposedly defined by the one and true god ... calls into question how ANY can be believed. At best only one set can be believed ... and how do you choose which. And it isn't enough to say "mine" since what basis have you for that conclusion (other than blind faith)?

Since the possibility that we are unique in the universe -- given the billions of galaxies with billions of stars in each -- means that any religion must apply to all worlds everywhere. Pretty hard to believe ... and in conflict with the teachings of many religions that we are god's chosen creature.

A logical examination of religion (separating out "faith" which by definition is not logical) must conclude that it is organized dillusion.

My challenge back to you is prove to me there is a god?

I'll give you a hint that MAY be defensible. Consider some larger lifeforce on another plane of existence. Postulate that we all contain (call it the sole) a small part of that lifeforce and when we die we return to the collective. That would be harder to argue against.

But stop deluding yourself. You have no proof of a god, so don't use history or numbers of faithful as any type of "proof". You have a right to believe ... but I have a right to think you are dillusional and illogical.

The bottom line is neither case can be proven. But I maintain it makes more sense to not believe in a god than to believe in one. I simply reject the idea since I see no reason to believe in the concept (and no benefit or need). Am I a bad person ... doomed to hellfire and damnation? I don't think so. I can live by humanist principles without belief in a god.

Answer 6

Jenna,

#1. It is an opinion. You have an opinion, they have an opinion, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

#2. Facts require proof. You don't have it, they don't have it. Even score.

#3. Face it, your logic is no better than theirs. It would be easy enough for one of them to say...

"I'm tired of people comparing god to real things. The difference between the concepts of god and science are huge. Fossils have been around for millions of years before this country was founded, how can you question something like this? Something that MILLIONS of people trust, believe and love? The last thought through a christians head... oh, that's right they don't have to think. Questioning science is something they love to do, is it for the hell of it? Or do you actually believe the garbage you say you do. I don't understand the ignorance of people who believe in fairy tales. I'm not talking about any religion in particular, I'm talking about all of them."

#4. What questions do you have? You seem to be confused and are asking why do atheists believe in god? I don't believe you will get a straight answer to that one.

So, let's see your questions...
"The bible and god have been around before this country was founded, how can you question something like this?" Well, it is easy to question, because you assert that god exists. If you had kept to a "logical" question, such as "The bible and the belief in god have been around...", no one would question that. Every atheist would agree that the bible and the belief in god have been around for more than 230 years.

"Something that MILLIONS of people trust, believe, and love." Every time I read answers in here, it astonishes me that rarely do you see two people expressing belief in the same thing. That's OK, like I said, everyone has a right to their opinion. But, face it, it is millions of opinions, not one.

"How are you so sure god doesn't exist?" Take this one to the bank. I am sure because I understand why some people need to believe in god. They are frightened and they need someone to comfort them. They are insecure and they need something to make them feel better than others. They don't understand why things are the way they are and they want to believe that someone is in control. They feel that they are not getting their due and they need to feel that they will be rewarded eventually. In the beginning man created god.

I am not frightened or insecure and I feel that I am responsible for myself. I don't deny you your security blanket, if it helps you sleep at night. I sleep just fine without one. That is why I am sure.

Answer 7

i am an atheist and wish to answer your question without mentioning pink unicorns or answering your question with questions of my own.

i only believe in something if it meets two criteria.

1. if it is at least possible.
2. if there is a need to believe in it (for example, as an explanation for something else).

the idea of "god" in general is not needed as an explanation because we have other explanations for the things around us. and as for the things that we do not have good explanations for (like where physical laws come from), the "answer" of god only complicates the matter. --- so, no sort of "god" meets the latter of the two criteria.

as for the former of my criteria, the christian god specifically is not possible. it is a contradiction to say that an all-powerful yet all-loving being would allow some of his children to burn in hell for eternity. it is also a contradiction to say that freewill exists despite the presence of an all-powerful, all-knowing being . --- one could argue that an all-powerful god can make "contradiction come true", and maybe that's so., but that's still no reason to believe in him just because his existence is possible according to these disregards of what we know about the physical universe.

Answer 8

I can only give you a logical answer by asking a question - are you aware of the fact that there were hundreds of other Gods in existence hundreds of years prior to your God? With that being a known fact, how can you claim your God is real, when he is younger than anny other God that man has relagated to the realm of mythology?

And, logically, the claim of God simply doesnt add up. There are a million reasons why this is so, and there is not enoough space here in which to do it. but if you used your mind rather than simply beleiving what you are told, you might come to the same conclusion...

Answer 9

I'm tired of people comparing God to real things. The difference between your made up “God” and real things is huge. Atheism has been around since before this country was founded, how can you question something like this? Something that MILLIONS of people trust, believe, and love? The last thought through a Christian's head .. is it "Please, please, please forgive me and don't send me to hell!"? Believing in God is something they love to do, is it a fear of hell? Or do you actually believe the garbage you say you do? I don't understand the ignorance of people who believe in God. I'm not talking about any religion in particular, I'm talking about Christians and their belief in God. Last time I asked a question about their belief in God, not one CHRISTIAN was able to answer logically. Someone who wasn’t had to do it for them. How are you so sure God exists? Don’t answer my questions with questions, I’d like logical answers.

Answer 10

If age makes truth, you should know that christianity is very young for a religion.

As far as number of believers, most believe the legend about lemmings jumping off cliffs. But it isn't true.

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmi...

The number of believers should not be a criteria for determining truth or falsehood.

Edit: "Last time I asked a questions about their belief in God, not one ATHEIST was able to answer logically. Someone who wasn’t had to do it for them."

Lol, this is meant to read: "I didn't like the answers I got from atheists, so I chose one that completely agrees with me, from a believer, cuz der smrter"

Don't worry, that happens all the time. Nearly every time, in fact. You really can't see the idiocy here? Imagine I ask what christians believe, and rather than choosing any of the answers I get from christians, because I don't like them, I choose one from an atheist. You don't think that's a bit hypocritical of me? The answer chosen should be the correct one, not the one that agrees with you the most. *sigh* I don't even know why I'm writing this. I'm sure the first people just to turn on caps lock and go UR SO RIGHT, 100% will be your "best answer". Yep, there we go, there's a good one right under mine, there. No answer, just "I agree". there's your best "answer". Go ahead, pick it, you know you want to.

Answer 11

You asked, I hope you're prepared to deal with the answers.

First off, logic. That's precisely why I don't believe in God. You can find your logic right in the Bible, too, conveniently enough, with the contradictions and impossibility right in the Good Book. So here's one answer.

Adam and Eve. Genesis itself immediately debunks God's existence. If there were ever only two people on the planet, the human race would be extinct. Period. There's no possible way only one male and one female of any species could ever give birth to an entire race. That's why we have threatened and endangered species. Because those species have dipped below or are in danger of dipping below the point in which they can successfully breed to keep the population from dying out. Two is definitely beyond that point.

And, say I believed the baloney about one man and one woman giving birth to the entire human race. First off, unless Eve lived a very long time with complete fertility, especially in an era where there wasn't any such thing as a modern hospital and medical facilities, we're looking at maybe twenty kids, twenty five tops, if we go with one a year, including time for recovery after the 9 month pregnancy.

Secondly, if Eve managed the numbers, well, guess what? We'd all be INBRED. Adam and Eve wouldn't be inbred, but where would the mates for their children come from if not from each other? I've read the Bible and there's nothing in there that says anything about God creating more mates for offspring.

This line of thought also debunks Noah's Ark. Every last living creature would die out were this tale real. And again, if somehow we managed to get past the pitfalls of the Adam and Eve story, we face them a second time here. Not only would Noah and his family be inbred if humanity was wiped out save for them and their descendants, but all the animals saved would be inbred as well.

Let's continue on. Jonah and the Whale. That whale would have choked on Jonah as whales aside from sperm whales cannot swallow anything bigger than a canteloupe and Jonah was certainly much larger. Even if they COULD manage to swallow a man, you have digestive juices and lack of oxygen to deal with. A person would either suffocate...or be digested, take your pick.

If you want sources, do a search on Evolutionary Theory for the inbreeding bit and for Jonah, look up whale anatomy. My husband suggests the Encyclopedia of Cetaceans, Comparative Anatomy, 3rd Edition. Amazon.com'd be a good place to start. Or your local library.

Secondly, on questioning God. Atheists don't do it "for the hell of it". We've got better things to do than argue with illogical believers who won't take a moment to explore their world and find out the truth they're so fond of saying they preach. For atheists, nonbelief is founded not on ignorance. Quite the contrary. A lot of us have done a lot of searching to try and reaffirm our beliefs, only to find more questions, more holes in the Bible than a person can logically and reasonably reconcile.

Also, Atheists don't "mock" God, just by questioning God's existance and the inerrancy of the Bible. We don't believe, we don't care, end of story. Mocking is making fun of, and I for one don't see many atheists being childish enough to make fun of religion, especially one they don't believe in. We've got better things to do with our time.

Thirdly, you say "I'm talking about atheists and their belief in God.". Atheists don't believe in God. Your statement is a contradiction. Nonbelief is not a belief, therefore, one cannot have a belief in God and be an atheist.

Finally, to answer your question about how you're shoving your beliefs on others. There's a VERY fine line between "sharing the Good News" and harassment. Sharing your faith is done in a polite, civil manner, welcomed by the person on the receiving end. Sharing one's faith does not involve threats or "in your face" tactics or condemnation.

Sharing your faith becomes unwelcome harassment when it is done after continuous statements of "no thanks". When a person does not wish to hear the "be saved" spiel and has repeatedly said so and has even tried to distance themselves from the person doing the preaching, it becomes harassment, the same as any other unwelcome speech. Repeated hounding and chasing down of the "unchurched" becomes an intrusion of privacy. People have the right to be free of repeatedly hearing something they don't WANT to hear.

Also, I don't find that the non-Christians and nonbelievers are threatened by something that can't be explained. Frankly, we just take it as something that has yet to be explained, but will eventually be explained. Just likely not in our lifetimes. It's not the atheists who are threatened.

In my experience, it's been the opposite, the Christians, who are threatened by the thought that they don't hold all the answers, threatened by the fact that they're NOT the only legitimate religion or belief system in the world.