For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. (Matthew 19:12 ASV)
No one whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may be admitted into the community of the Lord. (Deuteronomy 23:2 NAB)
LET THE IDIOCY BEGIN!!!
2006-10-13 08:13:16 · 23 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Come on, now, Christians. It's ALL your Bible, old or new.
2006-10-13 08:23:40 · update #1
O.K., the citation is a little off. You KNOW it's all in there. It's ALL THE WORD OF 'GOD'.
2006-10-13 08:26:47 · update #2
Could I conceivably state it more clearly than this:
Your Bible, 'old' or 'new' parts of it, is the "word of your 'God' "; you all spout that comment at the drop of a hat if someone so much as looks at you funny. If you choose to divide it into parts you will and will not follow, that's on you.
Contained within your Bible (whether I had the citation wrong or not) ARE these words of your 'God'; if it is indeed your God's word, then, logically, you must obey both passages.
How, then , are these conflicting passages reconciled? Except through sheer madness?
In my opinion, the question still stands.
2006-10-13 21:15:09 · update #3
sounds like a fussy detail, but couldn't you cut off the balls and then be a eunuch.
They made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake, not to be admitted into the community of the Lord. God doesn't want competition or something? 10 billion women and only God has a dick. That's power!
2006-10-13 08:18:51 · answer #1 · answered by Gray 2 · 3⤊ 1⤋
LOL, this is why I never use the new age bible garbage. How funny, do they really translate it like that?
Stick to the king james version.
Matthew 19
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Deuteronomy 23
2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
2006-10-13 08:26:46 · answer #2 · answered by jthillam 3 · 2⤊ 1⤋
becoming a eunuch did not deal with having ones balls crushed or castration though I am sure that was the first thing entered the head of any woman reading it. Right spooky, if you ask me. so they are not contradictory. There was a nerve they cut. As to why they could not enter into that place i do not pretend to understand. If you ask me to I will pray for an answer cuz I always get one I just do not think this is relevant to much other than a prurient interest.
you got the site wrong which caused some confusion above, it was 23:1
i will refrain from using the word idiot uh oh i did it sorry
2006-10-13 16:08:08 · answer #3 · answered by icheeknows 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Why even ask a question if you would call those who would answer the question a bunch of idiots before they even answer?
From my understanding, it's kinda hard to take one verse from Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Numbers or Exodus and try to compare it with other verses in the Bible...especially if you're just looking for controversy. The "community" in the OT isn't the same as the community in the NT and nowadays. Jesus tore down the barrier between us and God (and the veil or whatever it's called in the temple) when he died on the Cross, and along with it some of these old laws. Not many Christians are going to take a stance that cutting your hair or shaving your beard and stuff like that is a sin, know what I mean?
2006-10-13 08:19:40 · answer #4 · answered by sarcrl 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
First off, drop the hostility. How do you expect to spawn dialog if you're going to call people idiots?
The New American Bible is written at the 6th grade level. So the language is not intelligent.
You can't "reconcile" the two because they refer to two distinctly different things.
The Matthew reference refers to those who are celibate. Some people are born celibate.Some people are made celibate. Some pick celibacy for God. Like me!
The second reference refers to someone who has been maimed. The Jews believed in perfection. That whole chapter refers to "cleanliness." Ritual purification. One can't be ritually purified if one is maimed. At least, according to ancient Hebrew teachings.
2006-10-13 08:28:43 · answer #5 · answered by Max Marie, OFS 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Rule #1 Consider the context of the verse. Picking verses out of the air without reading the verses before and after will alter your opinion.
While there is alot of sexual perv out today, nothing is really new. It's not like people is just figuring out how to be raunchy. It was all going on back then.
Since I don't have a bible here, I'll use the tattoo example mentioned above. Tattoo's were apart of ancient pagan worship. With that bit of info. you can then see why the bible was speaking against tattoos then. A follower would not want to be connected with the cults of the day. A little research goes along way......
2006-10-13 08:28:14 · answer #6 · answered by monotone 1 · 0⤊ 1⤋
The community of the Lord, as put by this translation is the Children of Israel that left Egypt to begin the exodus. Men who were not men for any reason were not given full status with the other men.. This is cultural!!! In your other quote it means that anyone who will turn away from the pleasures of the flesh to server God are acceptable. You are l looking at the time before the cross and making it the same as the time after. Christ died to fulfill the demands of the Law. We are under it to show us our need for Christ and in Christ we are free of it's demands.
Now tell me who are all the God haters here so worried about what God would have us be sexually? It seems to never end...
2006-10-13 08:29:19 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
Not sure where you got your fact but "Deuteronomy 23:2 (New King James Version)
2 “One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the assembly of the LORD; even to the tenth generation none of his descendants shall enter the assembly of the LORD.
NIV version:
2 No one born of a forbidden marriage [a] nor any of his descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, even down to the tenth generation.
AND you are comparing apples to oranges, the Old test was given to the jews. The new test is for everyone; jew, greek any gentile.
2006-10-13 08:20:10 · answer #8 · answered by Jeanmarie 7 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Many rules and regulations in the old testament were abolished when Jesus died for us. Hebrews 8:13 says : In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away." there were tons of strange rules in the old testament like how much you could cut your beard and which knots you could and could not tie on the sabbath...the point God was trying to make was that no one can measure up to all His standards alone...we need Jesus. so anyway the second verse you quoted was from the old Testamant and the 1st one you quoted was from the New testament. that was one of the rules that was abolished.
2006-10-13 08:21:03 · answer #9 · answered by roxanne 2 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Eunuchs do not neccessarily have to be physically maimed --it is in regards to being celibate or not. Is a person who takes salt-peter a eunuch--yes in a way but, they are not physically maimed they are just abstaining from sexual activity
2006-10-13 09:25:49 · answer #10 · answered by Midge 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋