Will Quantum Physics prove there is a God?

Question

I saw a show about Quantum Physics a few months ago with about 12 Quantum Physicist explaining Quantum Physics and at the end they asked each if they believed in God and they all said yes.

They said there had to be a God considering how odd things are in the universe, these things couldn't have just happened.

If during the Big Bang, some values would only differ by 0.000000000001%, the resulting universe could never yield any biological life.

Even conservative mathematical estimations show that the probability for the existence of a life-bearing universe is at least 1:10*229.

Corresponding to the evolution theories the probability that an intelligent life form will appear (we assume humans are intelligent) is much worse (over 400 zeros after the "1" of the denominator).

Quantum Physicist are beginning to apply Quantum Physics to the bible, it would be nice to read a book soon that explains the bible in mathematical terms.

God seems not only to be a mathematician, as some say; he also seems to be a Quantum Physicist.

cemya2 I don't remember the name of it, It showed a women walking around the city and they would explain that everything was relative to the observer and there was many things going on around us at once but we only see what we chose to see. It was very interesting, Quantum Physics is very interesting.

Answer 1

In a deterministic universe, where physical laws work like "clock work" isn't it ironic that at the quantum level, nothing is deterministic, but rather only probabilistic?

God has created an impressive system with this physical universe (I am in continual marvel of his impressive handiwork).

Anyone who uses the ad homonym argument to reject the work of scientists (and physicists in particular) because a given scientist believes in God (or is even Catholic), is nothing short of a fool on many accounts. While it is true that some in the science community are atheists, the community is predominant theistic.

I find that many of my colleagues in the community that are theists find their work supportive faith.

God Bless,

MoP

Answer 2

You must have been watching a christian-produced program...the vast majority of quantum physicists (real ones, anyway) would either answer "god isn't a topic in quantum physics" or "no, I don't believe in god."

What you've described -- that it appears "miraculous" that we have a universe, a solar system, and an earth on which intelligent life could arise -- is called the "anthropic principle." It's used poorly by groups trying to promote religious belief to show that there MUST have been a designer behind the universe for it to be so fine-tuned for us to be here.

On the contrary, no branch of science (especially not quantum physics) offers any such proof of design. There's a simple reply to your "what a miracle" proposition complete with odds: if the universe wasn't just what it is, we wouldn't be here to be contemplating it. We couldn't have evolved the way we did if the universe was much different, so the odds are irrelevant. Basically, you're putting the cart before the horse...that there *may* have been many other possible permutations of physical laws that would have resulted in universes (and indeed there may have been such before this one came along, or the others may indeed exist alongside ours right now) makes no difference to the question, since this is the only one (as far as we know) in which we could evolve, so it's the only one we can possibly be in.

That fact doesn't prove or even suggest a "designer" -- all it suggests is that we're here because our universe allowed us to be. That's it.

There is no "mathematical" terms that can describe the bible. It's a book of collected myths and oral traditions from ignorant sheep-herders, who knew nothing about how the world really works (obvious since they got so many things wrong), whose entire world consisted of a few hundred miles of the middle east, and who liked to attribute every occurence in the natural world to a supernatural being because they didn't know better. That doesn't compute in mathematics :)
Peace.

Answer 3

Can you give more details about this show? If God exists, and spiritual truth, as well, then I think both would be completely compatible with science.

But perhaps science is not well developed enough to examine the question thoroughly. Unfortunately, it's not my area, and just reading Hawking's book, was a little much for me.

Answer 4

"God" is a word with many definitions, and is seldom used by scientists with the same meaning Christians apply to it. I believe in god too -- in the real god -- the Cosmos, the infinite source of all existence, which although possessing a type of intelligence through its laws of physics and nature, is nonintervening and noninterfering, which has nothing like a "personal interest" in us, as we are, after all, a part of it ourselves.

As for the likelihood of life elsewhere, try the Drake Equation:
http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html

Answer 5

In both ends of the arguement, that God could be proven/not proven - it's based on the idea that somebody knows everything.

My question is this: Why would it be a big deal what somebody else believes? Are we aware that the inquisition ended - way back? This applies to people who want to DISPROVE God as well.

I understand people's frustration with bigots who judge and put people down. Getting angry and giving them attentiion only gives them amunition. Attention and recognition is exactly what motives them.

IGNORE THE BIGOT AND YOU DISARM HIM.

Answer 6

Things can only be proved to people who are ready to believe them!

Meanwhile, if you like the logic of math, a guy named Clifford Goldstein has written some books you might really enjoy. My current favorites are God, Godel and Grace and The Clifford Goldstein Story.

If you like the way math turns into history and predicts the future, you might want to click over to http://www.prophecycode.com/meeting-list.asp or go to
http://guide.discoveronline.org/discover/guide01/hello.htm and choose Focus on Prophecy.

Answer 7

Quite the opposite - Quantum physics may well prove that there cannot be a god, by showing that a state of complete non-existence is not possible (and thereby proving that a creator god cannot exist).

The 'Goldilocks Effect' can be accounted for perfectly well if there are an infinite number of universes - Not only would a universe exactly like ours exist, there would be an *infinite* number exactly like ours.

Naturally, evolution is a fact and easily explained by variation and selection, so your objection on that front is worthless.

Answer 8

All these calculations only work if you assume that humans on earth are the only ultimate outcome. Yeah, there's a near infinitely small chance of us appearing in our current form on our current planet, which happens to be perfectly suited to us, or maybe it is we who are suited for it ...,

but you know what, there's a near infinitely small chance of last week's specific lottery winners all winning the lottery, too. And the same is true of every last week's lottery winners. Yet people keep winning and will continue to win. It's easy to look back and say there's a .000000000(whatever)1% chance of everyone who won the lottery last week to all win and nobody else wins, but only if you assume that's the _only_ possible outcome.

Honestly, if I asked you to calculate what the odds are of last week's winners winning (i.e., what are the odds that Jim-bob in kentucky would win, and Joe smith in florida, and ken katsumoto in japan and Marie Pierre in France etc etc), across the entire world, the chances of it happening are absolutely mind-boggling, far in excess of 1:10^229, yet it happened. Does that mean we assume God exists? Of course not.

Answer 9

Sounds like you are struggling with science versus spirituality. In order to believe in God, you must walk and think by faith, not by sight. Let's take Santa Claus for example: If you have believed in Santa Claus you can apply the same faith in praising the Lord. Don't get confused though Santa Claus is fantasy. God is the real deal!!!!!! Scientifically speaking....who do you think gave those scientists their knowledge? Get it?

Answer 10

Have you read Dr Fritzof Kapra's book " Yoga of Physics"??

Yu will be surprised to find that Tantra Path of hindus is nothing but quantum physics...rather in a better explanation