In the Bible (NT) 2 Peter 2:7-8, Lot is called a righteous man, right?

Question

Is this the same Lot who offers his virgin daughters to a crowd of raping angels, and later allows the daughters to seduce him, impregnating them?

In this same area of the NT, Peter says that Noah is righteous. Seems strange to me, since Noah got drunk and naked after the whole arc incident.

Your thoughts?

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Answer 1

The two men ( who were unknown to Lot angels ) were guests of Lot . The injustice that would have taken place if they were ordinary mortal men and Lot had complied with the wishes of the people of the city would have caused Lot a lot of personal anguish.
He proposed that they take his daughter's instead. ( i have read that they were the girls engaged to be married to men in the city so maybe Lot was trying to play his cards right for a positive outcome to the charged situation .) Lot was trying to be diplomatic. Their was a principle at stake. Lot was righteous. He would rather that his own daughters were abused than two strangers who had invited into his home as his guests. it was the principle. plus maybe the people of the town would not have harmed the girls as their may have been a split over what would happen to them when the men they were to be married to and their friends and family spoke up. The principle to Lot meant that much though.
the bible clearly states that Lot was unaware of what had taken place with his daughters. he was out the game .
so Noah got drunk? what's the problem ? what was the result ? a hangover ?
and got naked? so what ? think he had earned a drink after all his accomplishments. !!
the bible condemns drunkeness ( alcoholism , repeated habitually ) and nobody is perfect.
let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
consider the example of the Israelite king Mannaseh.

Answer 2

Well. You've got the story of Lot all wrong.

But then, you're not here for questions. You're just here to tell us Christians how much you look down on us.

So pick up Genesis and read it. Chapter 19.

Noah got drunk long after the "ark incident" as you call it. Even the most holy people fall off the wagon, as it were. Doesn't mean he wasn't righteous.

You really need to look at what it means, in Jewish standards, to be righteous. Go back to the original scripture - that is the Jewish ones - and see which Jewish word was used and see just what that means. There are many Jewish words that our modern bibles translate as righteous. For some, a better word would be justified. In other words their actions were justified.

Answer 3

Righteousness is not necessarily an objective term. For instance, in Genesis, Noah is called righteous and "perfect in his generation". The key phrase here is "in his generation". Compared to everyone else, Noah was righteous. Compared to those who came later, for example Abraham, Isaac, Jacob - Noah barely rates.

Likewise with Lot. Compared to the other residents of Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot was extremely righteous. Lot also recognized gradations of sin. In his eyes...and apparently in God's eyes based on the language used...forced relations with a virgin is far less of a sin that homosexual acts (especially involuntary homosexual acts). The reason is that the heterosexual contact could be rectified, in a way, by marriage at least in one case. There is no rectumification for the other.

Lot was simply trying to make the best of a bad situation...probably also knowing that the mob wouldn't take his daughters anyway...as that was too normal an act.

Answer 4

Superb questions!

The context of that passage is the Lot was a pretty decent dude, doing a good job of following God, until he joins up with the group from Sodom and Gomorrah. This "vexes" his soul, and their influence on him mucks up his previously good relationship with God.

Regarding Noah, without going into the doctrines of imputation and soteriology, just remember that "righteous" does not necessarily mean totally sinless. So, noah could have done something very stupid, but in light of his overall life, he could still be called righteous.

Answer 5

Noah and Lot are righteous, not perfect.

Also

You can't judge Lot based on today's ideas of right or wrong.

Hospitality in those days required the host to protect his guests, even with their life.

If Lot had two sons and he sent them out to fight and possibly die to defend his guests, he would have done so.

but Lot did not have sons, he only had daughters.
So he did the only thing he could think of.

Today we have hours and years to think of what we would have done, Lot didn't have that luxury.

I personally appreciate that Jehovah included this account in his word to help us understand he doesn't expect perfection to serve him, only a honest desire to do so.

Answer 6

If we did not have this comment given to us by God through Peter we would have thought that lot was a lost man.

During his life he always took the easy way, he moved to the watered plain, finally into the city and sadly in the city he lost his testimony even to his sons in law who saw him as one who mocked. In modern terms we would consider him a serious backslider.

However, Lot knew the Lord and when the messengers came he was willing to leave the city behind howbeit somewhat reluctantly. As he left the city the fire fell showing the sure judgment of God against sin. We could say Lot was scortched and saved.

Lot's human condition is seen once again in the example you have given. Would you not think that one who had witnessed the judgment of God against sin would have a greater respect to God and try to avoid sin in his life? We must remember that Lot as an old Testament Christian did not have the Holy Spirit within as we do today.

The grace of God is the reason that any are saved. We were all born with our back toward God and he would have been righteous in damning us to eternal destruction. By faith we look upon the Lord Jesus Christ suffering on account of our sin. Does this keep us from sinning? No, how soon we forget.
This does not excuse Lot for his failure, a blot on his life which brought dishonor to God.
How then could Lot be righteous? I believe that in the same way those who have trusted Christ, they are deemed righteous, not because of what they have done, but because of his work on the cross. Think of it. My sins were put upon Jesus, that I by faith in him might be clothed in his righteousness.

Lot is considered righteous because he belonged to God not because of his own works or his own failure. It is wonderful to be accepted in the beloved.

Answer 7

I would give you my thoughts on this and maybe even help you to understand.....but the truth is you really don't want my thoughts or anyone elses ...you simply want to make others look worse than you to make yourself appear better....you are a sad person and I have no respect for that kind of thinking ......if you really want to know what is the truth and what is being said here then study it and you may find the truth....read the word not bash it.....
truth is not revealed in hatered....only more hate

Answer 8

I'm surprised that you ask this. You just seem too well educated to not read into it.
To get the full understanding, do not omit the rest of the chapter.
2 Peter 2:4-11

Answer 9

Boy, honey, you really need to reread the bible if that's all you got out of it. Lot did offer his virgin daughters to a crowd who wanted to rape the angels, but he was trying to difuse the situation.

And he did not allow his daughters to seduce him, they got him drunk and raped him because they thought they were the only people left. He didn't allow them to do anything.

Try rereading the bible. These people were righteous for their works for God. They were still human and made mistakes, but God forgave them. You've made mistakes, you're human. So have I.

Answer 10

This has got to be the most ill informed question I've seen so far. Read the stories you reference before you reference them. Where do you get your information? I'd rethink using the source material you rely on, it appears to be terribly flawed. This is not a personal attack, just an observation. Consider it a critical response to substandard work. We all know you're better than this shoddy question you put before us today. Try harder! You are making it way too easy for us. There are some reeeaal brain twisters out there regarding Scripture. Toss a good one at us.