Jeremiah 31?

Question

Where in the OLD TESTAMENT does it prophesy that if Israel and Judah reject the NT that the gentiles get the opportunity? Seeing how both Jews and Christians are indeed still teaching their neighbors about the Lord...How in any way shape or form could the NT possibly be in effect? Not only does it outline the new covenant but it says what will happen as a result and uh, those results just are not happening. The Jewish community isn't in contradiction here but the Christians sure as heck are.

I don't need to hear the typical atheist/non-believer criticisms. I was a believer for over 30 years and it was reading the bible in context, without all the apologetic rhetoric, that brought me the truth.

Bob L..You quoted Jeremiah 42:6 sorry, but I didn't just take your word for it and looked it up "in context" the verse before it 42:5 says "Then THEY said to Jeremiah,"....." Verse 42:6 is what THEY meaning THE ARMY OFFICERS including Johanan son of Kareah and Jezaniah. That is not a prophetic scripture.

Isaiah 49 is talking about the servant Israel and neither of the scriptures from Isaiah that you gave me answer the question about Jermiah 31.

Thanks anyway, but I prefer to read in context.

Cindy, Your explanation doesn't suffice either. Jeremiah 31 says "AFTER that time...." and then goes on to read that "no man will teach his neighbor, etc." How can there be a New Covenant without the two parties needed to make the covenant? This scripture is NOT about salvation, it is about what needs to happen PRIOR to the NT going into effect.

NamesR...thank you

Sky, with all due respect that still doesn't explain how the NT could be in effect when the two parties required to make it haven't made it yet.

Answer 1

I mean no disrespect, but if you want to study more how jews interpret scripture, you might want to check out http://www.jewsforJUDAISM.org

Answer 2

You are a little confused, because the old testament does not say that the gentiles will be given all the fullness of the promises, to the exclusion of the jews, but rather in conjunction with them.

In Ephesians and in Romans we have passages referring to the "two becoming one" speaking of the jews and the gentiles. That is what the new covenant is about. Passages from the NT that refer to this including of the gentiles are Romans 11 and Ephesians 3, among others.


Some O.T. references that speak about the inclusion of the gentiles into what what was previously "jews only", include the following: Psalm 18:49, Deuteronomy 32:43, Psalm 117:1, and Isaiah 11:10.

Then there are, of course, the scriptures in the O.T. about Jesus being rejected by his own people, among which are: Psalm 118:22 and Isaiah 53:1 & 3.

The NT is most assuredly in effect, but it is taking time for all the elements within it to work out, as people learn of Jesus and work out their salvation step by step and are changed into His likeness from glory to glory...(Phillipians 2:12 & 2 Corinthians 3:18) It's the process whereby the Law of God is placed in their hearts and in their inward parts.

And then someday there shall be a pure language with which to call upon and serve the Lord, the name of God shall be one, and no longer will neighbor teach neighbor "know the Lord" for all shall know Him from the greatest to the least.
(Zephaniah 3:9, Zechariah 14:9, Jeremiah 31:34)

Hoping this helps!

Answer 3

God is in Control of Our Salvation Ephesians 1:3-14
God’s sovereignty extends over all things. Because He is omnipotent (all powerful), no plan of His can be stopped (Luke 1:37). He is also omniscient (all knowing), so nothing is hidden from His sight (Hebrews 4:13). What’s more, He is omnipresent, which means that all things exist in His presence (Psalm 33:13-15; Colossians 1:16-17). Everything in both the natural and spiritual realms — including our salvation — are under His complete control.
The Scriptures describe mankind as having hearts that are deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), minds that suppress truth (Romans 1:18-19), and wills that have turned away from the Lord (Isaiah 53:6). God, however, is continually seeking us. He’s issued a universal call inviting everyone to freely come to Him (John 3:16). He has declared it isn’t His will that anyone perish (2 Peter 3:9), nor does He take pleasure in the death of the wicked. (Ezekiel 33:11). He desires that all come to a knowledge of the truth — namely, that there is just one God, sin separates us from Him, and only faith in Jesus reconciles us to Him (1 Timothy 2:4-6).
But Scripture teaches that none of us seek God (Romans 3:11); we can take no credit for our salvation. The desire to know Him comes through the Spirit’s work of convicting hearts of sinfulness and providing the faith to believe in Jesus as Savior (Ephesians 2:8). Salvation is all of God from first to last.
The heavenly Father chose a people for Himself from among the ungodly (Ephesians 1:11 NIV; Romans 4:5). Ask the Holy Spirit to help you grasp the immensity of divine grace, love, and mercy.

.God’s Sovereignty and the Existence of Evil
Genesis 2:7-3:24
Throughout the Bible, we see evidence of God’s authority over both humanity and nature. However, we have trouble reconciling God’s sovereign control with the existence of evil. What does Scripture tell us?
In the beginning, God created a perfect world, in which He declared that all He had made was good (Genesis 1:31). Wickedness was not part of what He had fashioned. In the heavens, however, an angel known as Satan sought to elevate himself above God and was cast down to earth (Isaiah 14:12).
God created Adam and Eve in His image. They were made with the capacity to love their Creator and the ability to choose to obey or disobey Him. God had no desire for Adam and Eve to sin (James 1:13), but He allowed their wills to be tested. We know the rest of the story. When they disobeyed God, sin entered our world and corrupted mankind. As Adam and Eve’s descendants, we inherited the “flesh” nature (Romans 5:12).
The Lord’s permissive will allowed events to unfold as they have. God did not create evil, but He has permitted it to exist and uses it to accomplish His good purposes (Isaiah 45:6-7).
When you have questions or doubts about God’s sovereignty, start with what you do understand, study what God has revealed about Himself and His ways, and ask the Holy Spirit to help you believe. A few answers to your questions will come quickly, while some will require diligent study and spiritual maturity. For others, which God has chosen to keep hidden (Deuteronomy 29:29), we are to walk by faith.

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Answer 4

Romans 11:20-21

Answer 5

Ok, go back to Genesis.

Here you will find that God told Abraham that he would be the father of all nations.
Abrahams seed is the line of the chosen ones.

Now jump ahead to the new testament and see where the reference is made to Abraham and his seed and that we all can be "grafted in" and adopted into the seed of Abraham.

It was not that the Israelites rejected Jesus Christ , so God said, allrighty then, let the gentiles in on the party.

Gods plan all along was to redeem all, and you can find this promise back in the beginning in Genesis again.
God told Eve that her seed would produce a cure or salvation for the sin they had committed. That seed would crush the head of saten and in doing so would bruise his heel.

There were no gentiles or Israelites yet, God made this promise to all.

Now, onto results. Remember the seed that God said would come and "cure us" that he told Eve about? That seed was Jesus Christ. Eve was just like us, at the birth of her first born, Cain, she thought God gave her the seed that would save her from her sin. She was wrong and impatiient for results.

We are no different, we are impatient about waiting for anything. Many people died in the old testament times waiting for the redeemder to come. They died knowing that he wasnt here yet, but yet still believing he was coming.

We live in the age of grace, Jesus has been here and done what needed to be done to make us sinless in Gods eyes. Now we are no longer waiting for the Messiah, we are waiting for the end of times to play out. We are just as impatient as Eve was, we look to everyone who comes into power , wondering if they could be the anti christ and so on.

We must remain patient, it was much longer than any human thought in old testament times for the Messiah to come and it could be even longer for the end of times to finish up.

It will happen as with all things, in Gods timing and not in ours. It is not a Christian contradiction, it is most simply put that we must remain patient.

Answer 6

Read your other posts - Your response To Christian...I was a Christian for 35 years, Jesus's promises were bunk. Its because he isn't god, and he is just a story in a myth

In your profile you wrote :About Me: 36 year old, happily married for 14 years and mother of two awesome children ages 8 and 12. I've been a home educator for 8 years, am a free-thinker, love muscic from classical to hard rock, love animals, am interested and use alternative medicines in my home, love nature, and I love life.

You must of had extraordinary intelligence... being one year of age when you accepted the Lord as Savior.

Answer 7

Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my
servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Isa 49:22 Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.

And many others...

Answer 8

I am not sure I understand your question but please read Isaiah 53. This talks about the coming savior, the one who is to be called Jesus, God's son. The savior of the world who bore our sins and transgressions. He shed his blood on the cross as a sacrificial lamb for you and me. All that is expected of us is to believe he is our savior, ask forgiveness and follow him.