Do Christians know that 1John 5:7 no longer exists in bible (it appeared to be forgery)?

Question

Tirinity

KJV

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

BBE

1Jo 5:7 And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is true.

Footnotes:

a. 1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20john%205&version=31

Source (s)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20john%205&version=31

isn't it clear enough?

1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century)

not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century

Answer 1

Like the last few verses in the Book of Mark, which aren't in any of the older manuscripts. The Lords Prayer was added to as well in the KJV.

There seem to be a lot of little additions here and there. Though some say they are all there to help with the meaning of the text, it appears to me that some are there only to support certain doctrines.

Answer 2

In the fourth century C.E., in a Latin treatise, an overzealous advocate of Trinitarianism evidently included the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the holy spirit; and these three are one” as if these were a quotation from 1 John 5:7. Later that passage was put right into the text of a Latin Bible manuscript.

As for the interpolations at 1 John 5:7 to support the Trinity and at Acts 13:2 to justify the Mass, these did not change what is truth. And in time the frauds were fully exposed.

This does not mean that there have not been attempts to change God’s Word. There have been. A notable example is 1 John 5:7. In the King James Version of 1611 it reads: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” Yet these words do not appear in any of the very early copies of the Bible. They were added by someone who was trying to support the Trinity teaching. Since it is clear that these words are not really part of God’s Word, corrections have been made and the words do not appear in newer Bibles.

So anyone who says that the Bible does not contain the same information as when it was originally written simply does not know the facts.

A footnote in The Jerusalem Bible, a Catholic translation, says that these words are “not in any of the early Greek MSS [manuscripts], or any of the early translations, or in the best MSS of the Vulg[ate] itself.” A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, by Bruce Metzger, traces in detail the history of the spurious passage. It states that the passage is first found in a treatise entitled Liber Apologeticus, of the fourth century, and that it appears in Old Latin and Vulgate manuscripts of the Scriptures, beginning in the sixth century. Modern translations as a whole, both Catholic and Protestant, do not include them in the main body of the text, because of recognizing their spurious nature. RS, NE, NAB.

Still, some may suggest that although Jesus did not spell out the Trinity doctrine, the apostle John did at 1 John 5:7, However, more modern versions omit this passage. Why? The Catholic Jerusalem Bible explains in a footnote that this text is not found in any of the early Greek or the best Latin manuscripts of the Bible. It is spurious. It was added, no doubt, to try to support the Trinity.

The apostle Paul in the opening of his letters often used expressions like this: “May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Romans 1:7) Why did he not mention the holy spirit as a person? Because Paul knew nothing of the “Holy Trinity.” James, Peter, and John used similar phrases in their letters where they likewise do not mention the holy spirit. Why? Because they were not Trinitarians either. The holy spirit is not a person as are God and his Son.

Answer 3

7 there are three that testify 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood. And these three are in unison.

That is a literal translation from the Greek text. Anything included in another translation that is not here was added. I had been asked about the added passage a few months ago but had not paid much attention. I saw your question and translated the text... it is pretty simple stuff so the translators are without excuse.

papavero: Stauros, the Greek word translated "cross," is used 27 times in scripture. What are you talking about?

Answer 4

Not entirely correct. The verse still exists in the Bible, especially in the KJV and NKJV, and those translated from the Textus Receptus. Some modern translations would place this in the footnotes. The reason for this is that the older manuscripts do not have this verse. In any case, this verse is NOT the definitive verse for the doctrine of the Trinity, as some would make it out to be. The doctrine of the Trinity is well-established without this verse throughout the Bible.

Answer 5

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Answer 6

I'll bet most Christians also don't know that there was a book of Mary (as in Magdalene), which was omitted from the Bible because it depicted Jesus in too Human a light. The Catholic church couldn't risk jesus being thought of as a normal Jewish man, who lived a perfectly normal Jewish life.

Answer 7

They want to believe what they have been thought, no time to check things out. For them is the truth. Period!

May I suggest to them where the word "cross" is in the Bible?

What is the meaning of the word "Begotten"?

Why the word "hell" is worded differently in many places?

We can call this Blind truth.

Answer 8

the vulgate is basically the vatican bible, many misprints in there. but the truth still remains

Answer 9

christians didn't know it was in there to begin with--they never read that book, most of them don't know how--what difference is it going to make?

Answer 10

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