If catholics believe they were the original true church?

Question

How come The apostle Peter supposed head of the catholic church was married and Mary had other sons so not a perpetual virgin.

Matthew 1:25 "But he had no intercourse with her UNTIL she gave birth to a son; and he called his name Jesus."

Matthew 13:55-56 "Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary, and his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Where, then, did this man get all these things?"

Mark 6:3 "This is the carpenter the son of Mary and the brother of James and Joseph and Judas and Simon, is it not? And his sisters are here with us, are they not?” So they began to stumble at him."

Matthew 8:14 "And Jesus, on coming into Peter’s house, saw his mother-in-law lying down and sick with fever."

Catholics say that Mary was a perpetual virgin.
And heads of churches are unmarried even though apostle Peter was married.

J.P. : The Bible, in short, cannot tell you if Mary had children or not. As far as the reason priests are not married, the reason is secular, not biblical. The secular reason no longer exists. The tradition remains. If you don't like the tradition, convert and work within the church to change it.

How about join a religion that is on truth rather than try and change the false.

pkdepp I have read the bible I even put in verses for your reading. Why do you defend something even though verses say otherwise.

vashsunglasses you shun facts and keep telling the falsehood. "Peter was married because the rule about celibate priests hadn't been made yet. It is only a doctrine instead of a dogma so there are allowed to be changes."
and where in the bible is this?

Mary was married with Joseph of course she had sexual intercourse. Joseph only abstained until Jesus was born.
Why do you people propose something that never scripturally happened. You turn something plain to read into something you have no proof of. How do you KNOW Jesus's brothers were his cousins and Mary couldn't of had sex. Again church tradition rather than biblical fact.

My questioning is to show contrary to catholic faith the facts biblically show that Mary was not a perpetual virgin and if Peter was the first Pope then he was already married. Can an already married man be a Pope today?

Yo Yo Mamma: The sole question regarding the Roman church's claim of Apostolic succession is whether there is an unbroken cahin of the laying on of hands and blessing from the Apostles to disciples and down to this day.

Unfortunately it didn't prevent injustices of the inquisition that had men, women tortured and meet horrid deaths at the hands of wicked perverts. All sanctioned by the Pope.

A phantom: Marriage is sacred, not a sin !
And likewise there is no sin in Mary having other children.
Neither of these go against Catholicism

Well yes it does because Mary is supposed to be a perpetual virgin like somehow the catholics have knowledge of that (not scriptural)

Answer 1

Good question Peter was never head of the catholic church which didnt come into exhistance for almost 3 centuries after his death and they were by no means the first or original church the only way Mary was a virgin was in the Birth of Jesus which was by divibne arrangement when God had the life force of his Son Jesus transfered into the womb of a Virgin named Mary who after Jesus birth had other children with her husband Joseph as the Bible clearly states in Matt 13:53-56 Luke 1:26- 2:21 hope this helps you Gorbalizer

Answer 2

1. Priests were not forbidden to marry until the end of the 1st millenium, and I don't see what that has to do with the Apostolic authority of the church.
2. Catholics claim the same word for brothers and sisters is used for cousins, but they read this back into the scripture to justify the claim of perpetual virginity that scripture does not teach. Again, this has nothing to do with Apostolic authority.

The sole question regarding the Roman church's claim of Apostolic succession is whether there is an unbroken cahin of the laying on of hands and blessing from the Apostles to disciples and down to this day. In other words, an unbroken line of successive ordination. That answer is clearly yes for both the Roman and Greek Orthodox churches and in grave doubt for the protestants.

As to whether any of that actually means squat, you be the judge.

Answer 3

+ Celebate Clergy +

First, Judeo-Christian tradition has always held that single people be celibate. This is taught by Judaism and Christianity from before the Scriptures were written down.

The question should be: Why can't priests marry?

This idea of a celibate clergy came from the Jews, John the Baptist, Jesus, and the Apostle Paul.

The Jews. The Talmud argues that a person whose “soul is bound up with the Torah and is constantly occupied with it” may remain celibate (Maimonides, Laws of Marriage 15.3). For example, Yahweh ordered the prophet Jeremiah not to marry (Jeremiah 16:1-4). Moreover, the Essenes was a group that was active in Jesus’ time that practiced celibacy and thought by most scholars to be the authors of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

WWJD? What would Jesus do? Jesus did not marry.

John the Baptist and Jesus are both believed to have been celibate for their entire lives. Some scholars believe that the example of the Essenes influenced either or both Jesus and John the Baptist in their celibacy.

The Apostle Paul is explicit about his celibacy (see 1 Cor. 7). There is also evidence in the gospel of Matthew for the practice of celibacy among at least some early Christians, in the famous passage about becoming “eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 19:12).

The concept took many twists and turns over the years. A fully celebate clergy did not take hold until about 1000 A.D. This idea will probably take a few more twists and turns before Christ returns in glory.

+ Brothers of Christ +

How was James, “the brother of the Lord,” (Matt. 13:55, Acts 15:13-21, 1 Cor. 15:7, Gal. 1:19) related to Jesus. All believers agree he was related, but no one knows exactly how.

The possibilities are that James was:

1. A full brother of Jesus, another Son of God born of the Blessed Virgin Mary. No one to my knowledge accepts that God had another child by the Blessed Virgin Mary.

2. A half-brother of Jesus, a younger son of Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary. Some Christians believe this possibility but most Christians including those who are Catholic and Eastern Orthodox believe that Mary remained a virgin for her entire life.

3. A stepbrother of Jesus, a son of Joseph and a previous wife. Many Christians believe that Joseph had a least one previous marriage that resulted in children.

4. A stepbrother of Jesus, an adopted son of Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary. When parents died, relatives frequently took their children in and raised them as thier own. An adopted orphaned boy would be considered the brother of Jesus.

5. A cousin of Jesus. The Aramaic language has no word for cousin. Aramaic frequently uses the word “aha,” which we translate into Greek as “adelphos” or English as brother, for cousin.

6. A comrade of Jesus. This is a remote possibility. Greek uses adelphos the same as English does in “a band of brothers.”

Possibilities 1 and 2 obviously go against Catholic beliefs.

The Catholic Church prefers possibility 5 but 3, 4 and 6 would not go against doctrine.

+ With love in Christ.

Answer 4

Peter was married because the rule about celibate priests hadn't been made yet. It is only a doctrine instead of a dogma so there are allowed to be changes.

As for the Blessed Virgin Mary, you are missunderstanding the meaning of the word "until". If I say "I will love you until the day I die" it doesn't mean that I will hate you after I die.

In those days, the word for "brother" is the same as the word for "cousin" or "close friend". Thus Jesus's so called brothers were actually his cousins.

Answer 5

The root of the word 'Protestant' is 'protest.' The Protestant Christian religions came about because someone was protesting a part of the Catholic faith. For example, the Church of England came about after the Pope refused to grant Henry VIII a divorce. The Lutheran Church was created because Martin Luther was "protesting" the selling of indulgences (by the Catholic Church).

Did you see the movie "A Few Good Men?" If not, forget it. If so, read on...

Remember the scene when Tom Cruise asks the witness to show him where in the manual it shows where the chow hall is? That is how your question proposes the Bible is...like a manual that has every single detail that anyone would ever need to know. It isn't like that.

Answer 6

The problem with asserting that Mary had other children is that the language the Gospels were written in had no word for 'cousin' or 'nephew'. So Jesus would have called even his extended family 'mother', 'father', 'brother', and 'sister'.

The Bible, in short, cannot tell you if Mary had children or not. As far as the reason priests are not married, the reason is secular, not biblical. The secular reason no longer exists. The tradition remains. If you don't like the tradition, convert and work within the church to change it.

Answer 7

Because of the apostolic succession passed down through the popes ? No. The bible writes about the whereabouts of the apostles. Peter was in Babylon. Peter was never in Rome and did not die there. The biggest church, the Saint Pieter was build on the Roman Circus where Peter should have died and should have been buried. People only do so and say so because it would be so important if he was. People will keep you telling this. Paul mentioned 27 people in Rome by the year 58. Later he was in Rome himself but wrote that all had forsaken him. Where was Peter the Pope? 2 Timotheüs 4:16. He was absolutely no Pope or important Christian leader there and he was not in Rome. He had been in Babylon, the Catholic church states that this would mean Rome somehow but this remains to be just a weak assumption. Babylon is not Rome. Further the rest, the Catholic faith is quite different, so how could they have known Peter and have agreed on anything that he said? Because of anything else? No. The catholic church has never been serious in practicing Christian religion and was withholding knowledge about the bible to ordinary people. It was in power over kings and many important organizations gaining more and more influence. Their churches were so big that one generation could not build them but their faith was extremely redirected to things not important to Christians at all and part of sin, like holy sacraments, Sunday rest, convesions, saints and Maria being important. Those churches and their offspring eat the body of Christ and drink His blood as their utmost important task. Jesus pointed to the slave-bread at the last, Easter, supper an said His body had been like this simple but useful and renewed slave-bread. Then He took the wine for saying thanks for the things God had promised there would be in the new given land at mount Horeb (not in the Christian bible) He gave us the promise that this would be the new covenant in his blood, "his blood" meaning in what happened to Him. Who thanks Jesus for having lived poor, having our punishment, and without sin goes to heaven thanking Him for doing that. These new symbols were in fact appropriate to be given to the apostles because the Jews only had to eat lambs-meat that evening. They made the meaning for the bread (the coming week was the week of new baked bread) and wine (being the last important thing of the meal) up. Everybody can know this simple truth so churches eating Jesus are all Catholic Churches and not to be trusted by Christians. a - "the one and only original , TRUE church of Christ?" - Christian church is into truth about Jesus and would not harm God or Gods feelings. They who know what it means that God had send His son are inheritor of the first churches and are both allowed and able to spread the happy news to all who suffer under the consequences of sin and the raging power of others.

Answer 8

Catholics, are NOT the original true church. It has been proven the the Pagan religion as a whole has been around for over 4,000 years before the Catholic faith was even established. It wasn't until after the Death of Jesus that Catholic preists stoped marrying. As for Mary, yes she did get married and had other sons, but she was married when she gave birth to Jesus in the first place. Over the centuries the Catholic "higherarcy" has given all none Christian religions a bad name, even some christian belief systems, and has also made woman out to be "inferrior" to men.

Answer 9

The Apostolic church.
Saint Peter is the first Pope.
Other religions were formed by breaking away from the original true church.

He was not married.
The Virgin Mary only had one son, The Son of God..............Jesus.

Read the Bible.

Answer 10

The vow of celibacy for Catholic priests came later.

Mary was a virgin when she conceived Jesus. She did not remain a virgin after she married Joseph.

I'm unsure what your question is. The Catholic Church is an establishment that has changed over the years. How does the fact that it has changed "prove" that it wasn't the original Church?