The Multiverse...?

Question

To all you atheists out there... Why is it that, since the universe is so finely tuned to accomidate human life (so much so, that if a cosmic constant is nudged one way or another by 1 in a trillion- trillion- trillion- trillion- trillion- trillion- trillion- trillion- trillion- trillion percent, all life would cease to exist), science must resort to non-empirical methods to explain it away with a hypothesis that all life here would cease to exist before the light (or any other measurable traits) from any 'multiverse' could be noticable in our location in the galaxy.

Is is possible that belief in such a thing is tantamount to a religious belief, where it is so distant, it can never be known for certain? (unlike God, whose presence will be 100% confirmed as true or false by the time the sun dies out).

And, pretending multiverses do exist, what would happen if two should overlap, say, one where gravity is necessary to create stars, and another where it is not... what would happen?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/231061/what_we_still_dont_know_about_the_cosmos_part_2/

Just a little something I saw last night, that sparked a bunch of questions.

Now, I never mentioned dimensions. It explains that a "multiverse" is in essence, that a lot of little 'big bangs' went off in space, each having their own set of physics to follow.

I believe that video mentioned that if gravity was nudged a mere 1% heavier, life could not exist (because we'd all be squashed), or 1% lighter, stars could not form. To me, it seems less likely an accident, and more likely an intent of perfection.

Phil : Good answers... though I can't help but be amused at one thing... "Science also doesn't think that a certain answer requires that you believe it"... Isn't that what the whole evolution/creationism debate is about? Some scientists and atheists belittle those who do not believe in evolution?

Thank you, Joyfilled. Now, if only those of us ex-atheists who once embraced science as the answer to all things could get together and shed some holy light en-masse. ^_^ .Voo

God bless you and your friend.

Answer 1

Dear Seraphim,

I was checking your profile because I wanted to send you an email to tell you what an excellent answer you gave to Roggygirl's question about Christian Bibles vs the NWT. I couldn't contact you so I decided to look at your questions.

I am not a scientist so I can't give an answer to your question,
except to say that IF there is anything else besides our universe, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is only one Creator. I also know that it is much more productive to study His Word to know Him rather than to study His creation.

I want to pass along a comment from a friend of mine who is a leading chemist in his field. He is Jewish by birth but went through an atheistic period in early adulthood. Then through his work as a chemist he realized that the awesome uncreated Creator IS.

I had asked my friend about his journey to becoming a Christian and he mentioned the 1 in a trillion-trillion ... percent that you refer to.

Answer 2

Woah, Woah, slow down girl, lets get some Facts shall we?

One, the Universe is not 'Perfectly Tuned' to accomadate Human Life, WE developed to fit into our Surroundings. The fact that their are BILLIONS of planets means, logically, that other planets with an Earth-Like atmosphere will be found.

Second, whats the twaddle about 'Multiverses'..is this some form of Dimensional Theory? The simple fact is, Science states the different Dimensions CANNOT mingle, tis against the laws of Physics.

So, can we have some Sources, or Data?

NB
If were talking 'Big Bangs', Science dropped the idea long ago. Their is a new idea that the Universe has been in existance, i dread to say it, 'forever'. Time is not a thing in the Universe

Answer 3

Science relies on empirical evidence. What you're describing here is a situation that we currently don't have information on. The logical course of action is to brainstorm, single out the valid suggestions, and form hypotheses from these to test. From there, we'd need evidence to proceed in a scientifically sound way. As for the dying out bit, we're still not able to see everything within our universe, and it will be quite a while before we can. Considering that the sun has only a few billion years left in it, it's not surprising we wouldn't be able to see any multiverse. I don't know the exact numbers, but I don't think we'd be able to see to the calculated edge of this universe by that point.

As for the comparison to religion, there's something there but not enough. Yes, there are uncertainties to both. However, science doesn't claim to know the answer before it can test it. Science also doesn't think that a certain answer requires that you believe it. Science also allows for the existence of multiple, contradicting hypotheses as long as each is valid as far as the current evidence takes us.

As for the multiverse collision, it's impossible to say. The two situations are so unlike each other that it's possible they might not mix or interact, like aqueous and organic layers of solvents.

Edit: As for the 1% give, maybe other systems originated with these properties. If they're not stable, they won't last. It could have formed and collapsed immeasurably quickly.

Edit 2: It's stated in religious doctrines that one must accept Jesus. Doesn't matter what any believers say about it. It's in the material. While scientists themselves may argue passionately for their cause, evolution itself (for example) doesn't require that people believe in it. Those who don't believe in evolution won't be condemned to extinction for instance.

Answer 4

I can't speak to the majority of your question refering to nudging cosmic constants and multiverses. However, I'd like to state that the universe is not "finely tuned" to accommodate anything, especially human life. Yes, the odds of human life happening are mind-boggling, but once you get over the hurdle of "any life happening", they're not that spectacular. And to assume that the universe "accommodates us" is like a puddle believing that the hole in which it sits has been dug especially for it. We only think it's especially accommodating because it's all we know.

Answer 5

"finely tuned to accomodate human life?"

what are you chatting about?! we evolved to fit into this planet! also, we are not so finely tuned now are we or we'll be able to breathe underwater and in space. we are still evolving and always will be.

either belive in what you see or live in ignorance