Since the pledge of allegance doesn't make people believe in god and it's no big deal?

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Then I presume that there's not a single christian who would object to us changing it to, "One Nation, Under the Dark Lord Satan,...." and making your children listen to it every day, right?

I mean, babyinwomb says that the pledge can't possibly influence someone negatively, so I presume that there's no objection, right?

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jakejr, your child can choose to not say the thing about Satan. I can compromise that.

but they just have to listen to it every day.

JUST LIKE with "under god" now.

Deal, or no deal?

Novice, if you're going to call me stupid, at least use the correct contraction of "you" and "are"

missyum, civil rights (including the 1st amendment) is all about protecting the minority from the tyrrany of the majority.

in a free, open, and democratic society, the majority are not given the power to oppress.

thus, your point is moot.

Answer 1

I'm still confused how she thinks that not having "under God" in the pledge is denying her faith. Christians recited the pledge millions of times before those words were added. I personally know many devout Christians who went to school before 1954 when the phrase was added and I haven't heard one of them say that their soul was in jeopardy for having said it the old way.

Answer 2

I think that what people tend to choose to forget is that the phrase "One Nation Under God'" was not original to the pledge as it was written in the late 1800's. It was added in the early 1950's by the Eisenhower administration as a way of encouraging social cohesiveness in a country that was having their children hiding under desks when air raids sounded in nuclear attack practice drills and when they were fighting the spread of Communism in the Korean War.

A true democratic society would take a look at the pledge as it is now said and either remove the added phrase or update the pledge to reflect the acknowledgment that America is more than just christian.

Answer 3

I think the hype over the Pledge of Allegiance is overblown, although I don't think we should try to pick unnecessary fights. And since more than 80 percent of Americans claim to be Christians, Dark Lord Satan won't be part of the Pledge anytime soon.

I wrote a couple blog entries last year about what I think is misplaced concern over the Pledge. Leaving "under God" in the Pledge won't ensure the survival of the United States any more than taking it out will bring about our downfall. Check out the first two links below for those blog entries.

Answer 4

The laws are based on God's laws and the nation was founded under those principles. They are voted on now and the majority of voters vote for people with the same morals and values they have. Not that it always turns out like their campaign slogans say it will but that much is true. So if the majority declare they believe our nation is under God's authority why couldn't the non believers simply not say something different. Majority rules in it's favor. This country is a democracy and we all have the chance to vote. We all have the right to gain citizenship somewhere else if we're so against our government and the policies of it. No one is going to change it to recognize satan. Next, santa, or the easter bunny. If you teach your child it's crap then they'll believe you either way. But why is it that the one thing that teaches values and morals and consequences so terrible in the first place? Without law there is chaos. Are you willing to live in a country of lawlessness? They do coincide no matter how you look at it. The judges, lawyers, and the like all have to swear on the bible because even the judicial system believes lying is a sin and your statements are then punishable by the court and ultimately God, if you choose to lie. Thall shall not bear false witness it's a commandment and it the court room the fancy name is purgery. All the same thing just words. So if they all believe this why can't you? Or is it because you don't wish to be judged by God who will ultimately decide whether you believe or not what your eternity is going to be like. You may say it's all crap and none of it is true but how do YOU know it's false? And what what you do if you died tonight and found yourself before a just and righteous God and your sins were before you? Would you change your mind at that moment because you found Hell to be real? God's way of live is wonderful and hard but the rewards are great so why live is the devils world to find you are wrong? What would you lose if you were a christian and blessed by Christ and lived a wonderful life of His choice to find in the end you lost nothing at all? So before the politics get in the way what's in your heart? We are a nation under God as He wants us to be and you should be proud to repeat those words. Evil has it's place in Hell not earth and surely not heaven. Where do you want to be?
I'll pray for you because I don't really think you want a nation under satan and neither do I...

The ammendment is not meant to override a vote. To protect those who can't speak for themselves. However, if you are legally living in this country and an issue is sent for voters to vote on they vote! That simple. Your leaders are there because they are put there by the voters. Those issues cannot be disregarded because the minority lost the vote. Then why have the democracy? It's a circular arguement that you're posing. So she is right the majority will rule on it because no one person is going to make that call it will end up on a ballot long before some one decides this for everyone. It will never happen!

Answer 5

Or maybe we should simply go back to saying it the way it was said Pre-1954 when the words 'under God' were added as a lie as a knee-jerk reaction to communism.

And with all due respect to the veteran above -- you're a hypocrite. A veteran fought for my constitutional rights and then would decide that 'under god' is acceptable when 'under satan' is not? That is to favor a religious persuasion in a governmental document. No other document upon which the USA is founded or continues to exist contains such a bias. The closest is the Declaration of Independence (which I assume a veteran has read...) which at MOST refers to 'a creator', but without identifying that creator.

Answer 6

Freedom of religion... precisely what makes this a great united states. united statesa. is a huge melting pot belonging to all cultures, customs, ethnic origins. There are immigrants that do have faith in God too, and then there are people who've lived her contained in the US for some years that have not have been given a faith besides, so it is not in basic terms the immigrants or besides the fact that that are changing issues....i do no longer see the great take care of taking it off...

Answer 7

Of course there's an objection. But not because saying the Pledge of Allegiance is making anybody believe in anything. But because I do not want to be forced to say something I don't believe.
You are not forced by anyone to say the Pledge, without or without God in it.

Answer 8

LOL my teacher comprimised by letting those of us who did not want to say or hear under god go outside during the pledge. Truthfully i dont think any one should have to say or listen to something they do not beleive in, be it under god or under the dark lord satanor even under Valhala. But let us be free to make that choice first.

Answer 9

Sorry but will have to remove your wings for that idea.
under God was taken out because you are then not pledging allegiance just to the country off the United States.but also to a religious idea.

Answer 10

i would suggest it be re worded like this


one nation under (insert diety of cartoon character of choice here)
indivisible with justice for all.

that way we can hear a chorous of athiests saying

fred flintstone and buggs bunny..

while the pagan kids all name a different god.

and the satanists say ABOVE SATAN...

and the fundamentalist christians begin to feel very uncomfortable and out of place.