Question about Abortion, Bush, and Iraq?

Question

Which is worse:

1) The 655,000 civilian deaths in Iraq (so far).

2) The 126,000 fetuses aborted each day.

Thanks, Catch22. I am only vaguely familiar with the bill. Clearly I should be more informed.

Farkas, the 655,000 is from the Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

Answer 1

Both are astoundly horrible numbers and I can not answer your question to my fullest ability as i am againt the war in Iraq and I am against murder...

Answer 2

655,000? Where did you find THAT number?
The only number I've found is that they believe that between 45,000 and 245,000 civilians have been killed in Iraq over the last nearly four years. Most of those were killed by insurgents, who are not Iraqi OR American.
Are we waging war on unborn children? If not, then number two is worse, like it or not.

Answer 3

Bush Admin. has messed up the United States
people are being totured as we speak and Iraqis are in pain over their lost loved ones, America is no longer seemly civilied, If people began to get arrested in large numbers, I'm moving to Tokoyo, they should have over the counter birth control, or free health care to curb the deaths of innocent life, Other nations like Switlerland can do it, but some of our government officials are so greedy, they wouldn't want to give that much to the American People

Answer 4

ahhhh but what you do not tell us is that 80 percent of thoes 126,000 each day are from third world countries. the statistic in america is 4000 per day.

both are wrong. and horrible. but making abortion illegal will not even begin to change these numbers. most countries that have a legal abortion also report almost as many illegal abortions as they do legal ones. make it illegal and we will just have girls dieing in back alleys again.

has noone read about the early 1960's.

Answer 5

Yeah that's enormously ironic. i've got heard people remark before how a great sort of conservatives are against abortion, yet in prefer of the dying penalty. Abortion: against gay Marriage: do not care Stem-cellular examine: uncertain

Answer 6

Bush remaining in office scares me the most. He says he's pro-life when he's murdering people in other countries, and this number includes pregnant women. Him being re-elected was proof enough for me that there are conspiracies happening in the government and they are all liars.

Answer 7

NUMBER ONE
and
Number THREE:
If you haven't been watching the political arena lately, you may not have noticed that the U.S. Congress last week handed President Bush a bill that, if signed, would spell the end of America as we know it.

Called the Military Commissions Act of 2006, the bill abandons the Geneva Convention (formed after Hitler's atrocities in WWII), legalizes the torture of U.S. citizens, suspends all civil rights for prisoners and allows the President to declare virtually anyone to be an "enemy combatant" -- artists, writers, scientists, protestors or anyone who does not agree with the pro-war stance of the current regime.

It would also retroactively grant blanket immunity to all U.S. military personnel who have committed war crimes under the Geneva Convention. Such immunity would extend to present and future war crimes as well. In other words, the United States will now officially harbor and support war criminals. In the context of international law, the United States is effectively declaring itself to be a criminal state that will respect no international law.

Just as frighteningly, the new Act would utterly nullify the courts and make it illegal for the judicial branch of government to interfere with the imprisonment and torture of anyone, thus affecting a dangerous power shift from the judicial branch of government to the executive branch.

Hitler followed the same strategy in centralizing his own power, and by nullifying the courts while taking over the media, he was able to propagandize his war, arrest all dissenters, and concentrate power in his own hands. The ultimate result was an unjust war and a humanitarian disaster that haunts the world to this day.

The United States is now firmly on the same path. These are dark times for our nation, and future historians will no doubt look upon this historic vote as the trigger that thrust the United States into a full-fledged police state, complete with secret arrests, government spying on citizens, and the mysterious "disappearance" of those who dared to speak out against the dictator.

A disgraced nation

What the U.S. Congress has done is beyond shameful. The rest of the world now sees the United States as a rogue nation, led by a power-grabbing madman who has, in six short years, taken us to the threshold of Police State tyranny, all while claiming to be protecting the Constitution.

Read the Military Commissions Act yourself! Here's a passage that nullifies the judicial branch:

"No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any claim or cause of action whatsoever, including any action pending on or filed after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, relating to the prosecution, trial, or judgment of a military commission under this chapter, including challenges to the lawfulness of procedures of military commissions under this chapter."

And here's another passage that rebukes the Geneva Convention:

"No person may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto in any habeas corpus or other civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States is a party as a source of rights in any court of the United States or its States or territories."

It makes you wonder. What kind of evil nation would reject, with such legal precision, the humanitarian protections of the Geneva Convention? What kind of U.S. Attorney General would allow a new law to nullify the federal courts? And what kind of traitorous Senator or Congressperson would vote for such a law in the first place?

Even twelve Democrats voted for the bill.

Answer 8

At least the abortions could save lives via donated stem cells. Oh, wait. I guess they couldn't, legally anyway.

Answer 9

The are both horrible and I wish people would not dwell on stuff like that as there is not much we can do about it.

Answer 10

both horrific