for atheists, help me understand you.?

Question

if you truly believe there is no higher being, how do you account for people? how do you account for everything we use, all materials, natural resources, ie, oil, coal, water, oxygen, etc? our resources are just conveniently there. how do you explain our perfect proximity to the sun and all other planets around us? we are at a perfect distance from the sun. not to hot. not to cold. the planets pull on us, as well as the earth pulls on them. its a perfect symbyosis. what i mean is, do you think this is coicidence? do you think man JUST CAME INTO BEING? or the universe just popped into existance? dont you find it odd, out of all the planets that we know anything about none of them can sustain life. how can you truly rationalise everything around you without adding intelligent design to the equation? something had to make this perfect universe. things of such beauty, perfection (the universe, not people) had to be made, not brought about by the big bang.

ZERO COOL, your answer is as abstract and nonsensicle as your avatar. if you would take the time to read the question, and not scan it, you would see that i did not say our existance was perfect. i said the universe was. this is where comprehension comes. get some! it intrigues me, how a person can come to a definite on something so vast. on something that has structure. on something that has harmony. the universe is not a globular mass. it has structure. have you ever seen a picture of the known universe? it looks like a net. vast open spaces, and areas linked together. it is not with out shape. dare i say built.

Answer 1

none, atheist are just lazy to understand
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Answer 2

1. All materials we use were created in supernovae, and they're not exactly convenient, that's why oil companies need to spend millions upon millions of dollars to extract the oil, which we then burn and destroy the environment with.

2. Life on earth adapted to the conditions here, after so many years of evolution, of course we would be perfectly suited to our environment. Current life forms would have been obliterated very quickly in the environment of 2 billion years ago, and the creatures of 2 billion years ago would die if they lived here today.

3. We don't know whether other planets can sustain their own form of life or not, why should we assume that they can't?

4. I don't rationalize everything around me (especially women :p)

5. The universe is neither perfect nor beautiful.

6. If you don't believe that the farther away an object is from us in the universe, the faster it is moving away, please produce some evidence to the contrary. See, the big bang is a theory based on observable evidence, that being that everything's moving away, which means that in the past it was closer together.

Simply because you don't understand something isn't a reason to say that it was created intelligently. That's the same logic the greeks used to say that since they didn't understand lightning, it was thrown by zeus.

Answer 3

We still cannot detect earth-like planets, so to say that we haven't found a life sustaining planet is bogus. Just because we have not seen it does not mean it doesn't exist, nor does it mean it exists. It means -- wow -- we don't know yet.

Now, let's say God DID exist, and he created a universe where the sun was much colder and the earth was much further out. Would he have created humanity on a planet we could not survive on? No? Well then, you cannot use the fact we exist on earth as proof either. That we exist on earth is only proof that conditions on earth were ideal for our existence, not that those conditions were intentionally chosen.

The gravitational effect of the other planets on us is orders of magnitude less than the effect of the moon, so that's kind of a moot point.

Man evolved. Simple. Abiogenesis is a well researched field and is well documented in the scientific literature.

If everything is so perfect, why are we so flawed? I can think of about twenty things off hand that is erroneous with human physiology, amongst them the traditional eye, tail bone, appendix, and planar muscle errors.

And no, we don't know where the universe came from just yet. However, quantum physics allows for numerous scenarios where the cosmos, that is, the universe and everything else outside it, has existed eternally without a moment of creation. If you can ascribe such a state to your creator, then we can ascribe it to the inflaton if we so choose -- at least our ascription is based on sound mathematics.

The universe is 12-15billion years old. Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Plenty of time for the things you mention to happen.

Answer 4

How do I account for people? They are the product of their parents. I created a human being myself with my wife; just over 7 years ago. I was there to deliver him and cut the cord. It's no big secret, and nobody just comes into being as you suggest.

We make use of natural resources because we used our minds to figure out how to exploit them. Some, like coal, are very detrimental to our health, so we developed science to find better alternatives. Oxygen is not a natural resource; it is a by-product of photosynthesis.

Our proximity to our sun is far from perfect; planet earth is in a wobbly orbit; closer to the sun at some times of the year, and further away at other times. This contributes to disasterous weather patterns. Other planets don't pull on us; we are caught in the gravity of the sun, and our moon is caught in our orbit, the only thing that really pulls anything on our planet. Again, the situation is far from perfect. There are places on earth that are too hot and too cold.

Let's look at this from another perspective: If conditions on earth were not favourable for life, we wouldn't be here to discuss it. We live in an infinitely vast universe, so it's quite possible for life to develop and advance to our level somewhere, sometime, and someplace. Well, it just so happens to be here.

If you want to understand how an atheist thinks, just think about why you don't believe in all the other gods, like Zeus, Jupiter and Atlas. You and I are very much alike; I just happen to believe in one less god than you.

Answer 5

We can account for us, resources, stars, galaxies, etc through astronomical and biological evolution. If we weren't within a habitable zone of the Sun, you wouldn't be here to ask why not. Natural laws are not a coincidence - they happen naturally. I don't think we just came into being, I think we evolved over long periods of time through natural processes. I don't think there's anything special about me or anyone else in the way they ended up here. We haven't found any planets that can sustain life because our methods are, at the moment, too crude to detect anything smaller than a few times the size of Jupiter - and gas giants can't support life as we know it.

Science can answer all my questions, and even if we don't know everything yet, I think we can someday. We're working on it. Is it better just to give up and say 'god did it'? What if we had done that 100 years ago? We wouldn't have computers, modern health care, fancy cars, etc. Nothing we see in nature could not have been brought about by some natural process.

And that's why I don't see the need for a god.

Answer 6

It is pretty amazing that all the alignments of the planets seem to perfectly positioned. But it's not something that just popped up. It took a long long time. And there is an explanation for all of this. Science. Ever heard of it. I can't explain it because i'm only in highschool and am not a scientist but it all makes perfect sence. I mean like....natural resources aren't made my miricle. They are made by the earth. And the earth was made by junk left over from the other planets that were made. And the other planets. Idk. Mabye your right. I really don't know. But I like science.....and the big bang theory. It all makes perfect sense to me and no offense but your religion just doesn't .

Answer 7

Here is the best "point" one can score against aethists. We don't know. We have a few theories, so far most of us ( i think, i could be wrong ) go with the big bang. Is it an unalterable fact? No. It is only a "fact" because at this point nothing has been able to prove more likely. We (aethists) manage to accept we don't know everything. We strive to learn. We would love to know the begining of it all. But being rational beings cannot help but respond to I.D. as nothing but a veiled attempt at creationism. Which is founded on Faith not science. True science can and often does change daily, but we are willing to accept change to grow. Christians / Muslims / Hindus / all other religeons refuse to deviate from the idea of a spiritul realm that depends holy on Faith. we grow and change, whilst the relgeous grow inward and twist like vipers at themselves with there "interpretations"

Answer 8

This existence of ours is FAR from perfect. I don't understand how you CAN consider it perfect. And as for our "perfect" everything, what, you think this was the first try? What's to say that this set of circumstances is the 5.6 billionth "try"? You think this is the LAST "try"?

As for "god"...

Well...

1.There are three attributes of existents which concern us particularly, these being:
A.Primary Attributes
B.Secondary Attributes
C.Relational Attributes.
2.B as well as C are dependent upon and must be related to an existent’s A in order to be considered meaningful.
3.The term “God” lacks a positively identified A.
4.Because of this, the term “God” holds no justified A, B, or C. (From 2)
5.However, an attribute-less term (a term lacking A, B, and C) is meaningless.
6.Therefore, the term “God” is meaningless. (From 3, 4, 5)
7.Therefore, the god-concept is invalid.

Answer 9

What's to understand? We don't believe.

And coincidence isn't the right word. There are countless galaxies out there with countless stars. Do you really think that somewhere out there, there aren't other planets where everything came together to support life? Do you naively assume that this vast universe was created solely for the benefit of a few billion souls on one planet in sea of infinity?

Answer 10

But you'll notice things continue on being 'made to perfection.' Presumably without a god's hand. You'll also notice things have evolved a little in the last few million years.

Now, just to be fair here: Let's say I grant you your belief in 'God'; will you do the same for other religions past and current? What about the Native North Americans or South Americans? They have religions, too, which they can argue as legitimate as easily as you can yours. How about Shinto? There are, like many other religions, thousands of 'gods' in Shinto, but I suspect even the average Japanese doesn't really view Shinto simplistically.

Just because we see wonder in nature and life, doesn't mean we can assume some divine intervention.

Answer 11

It's called the Anthropic Principle.

We witness a universe that seems perfectly designed for us because if the universe was even slightly different we could not survive to witness it.

The fact that we don't know anything definitive about alternate universes does not prove that they don't exist or that they are perfectly suited for us to survive in. In all probability, there is a vast number of universes in existence that have wildly varying traits, most of which are so different from ours that we could never even experience them.