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2006-10-10 13:14:04 · 5 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

My commentary says that Is: 14:12 refers to Babylon and not to Lucifer.

2006-10-10 14:08:56 · update #1

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Luke 10:18, Jesus speaking: "So he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."

or Revelation 12:7-9. "12:7 Then war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 12:8 But the dragon was not strong enough to prevail, so there was no longer any place left in heaven for him and his angels. 12:9 So that huge dragon – the ancient serpent, the one called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world – was thrown down to the earth, and his angels along with him. "

The Isaiah quote by the guy above is a bit interpretive. Could possibly refer to Satan, but more clearly refers to the king of Babylon. There is another similar quote in Ezekiel 28 about the king of Tyre. That can also be interpreted as Satan, and a little more easily so, because some of the things attributed to him couldnt be true of any man.

Happy studying!

2006-10-10 14:26:56 · answer #1 · answered by Eric the Red 2 · 1 0

Just like the Rulers in our world, there are unseen rulers in every nations put forth by Satan.

Jesus Christ called Satan as the prince of this world.
John 12: 31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
John 14: 30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Daniel 10 : 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Read that full chapter;
http://bibledev.azaz.com/bibleresources/passage_redirect.php?book_id=34&chapter=10&version=9

The unseen King of Babylon as well as Tyre and many nations like that are Lucifer. Thats why the prophecey are against king of Babylon, tyre etc....

2006-10-10 20:11:43 · answer #2 · answered by Jac Tms 3 · 0 0

"Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer"

wow, i never knew about this particular example of christian tampering with the bible to fulfill their own agenda. they must think christians are stupid, because anybody with an IQ above 70 should know that the Latin name of Lucifer has no place in a Hebrew bible written before Latin even existed, and should take any bible mentioning Lucifer with a grain of salt. the original Hebrew scriptures make no mention of Satan, and obviously not Lucifer, in this particular passage.

in point of fact, in the original bible, satan is still working away as an angel for G-d, unable to act without the permission of G-d. certainly he is not a devil or rival power to G-d.

2006-10-10 13:33:35 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Even though Satan had become God's enemy, at the time of Adam and Eve, he continued to have access to heaven.

Job chapter 1 & 2.

It wasn't until the prophecy in Rev. chapter 12 that Michael finally expells him from heaven, and he is not able to return.

This "war" does not happen until the "Lord's Day. Rev 1:10

2006-10-11 05:28:13 · answer #4 · answered by TeeM 7 · 0 0

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

2006-10-10 13:23:00 · answer #5 · answered by Bob L 7 · 2 0

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