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Was there any prophet before Jesus calling for the Tirnity, or the Tirnity Just came up with Jesus? (What i know that all propthets before Jesus Peace be upon him called for the worship of the Only one God and in my opinion this is more logic)

2006-10-10 11:38:55 · 8 answers · asked by Nightingale 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Jesus never called for any Trinity. He seemed to indicate that He was a step or two below the Father. The Catholic Church is who invented the Trinity in 325 AD at the Council of Nicaea. It isn't in the Bible.

2006-10-10 11:41:41 · answer #1 · answered by Gene Rocks! 5 · 1 4

Tertullian, one of the early church fathers, coined the term "Trinity." The word actually means "three-ness." Tertullian was an ardent supporter of orthodoxy in the church, and was one of the greatest defenders of the historic Christian faith.

The term "Trinity" is not found in the Scriptures, but the doctrine is clearly displayed. There are many times where Jesus said of Himself that He was God. He applied the name of God, "I AM," to Himself in several passages. Here's a few examples: Matthew 14:27, Mark 6:50, Mark 13:6, Luke 21:8, John 4:26, John 6:20, John 8:24, 28, 58, and John 13:19. (Some English translations misinterpret it to be "It is I," or "I am he.") There are several others I have not listed. Besides this, Jesus said that He & the Father were one (John 10:30). This describes a unity, even though there are two.

The Trinity has an underlying appearance in the Old Testament as well. In Genesis, we see during creation that God said, "Let us make man in our image." and also when man sinned, God said, "...man has become as one of us, to know good and evil..." Who was He speaking to? The other persons of the Trinity. We also see that the Spirit of God hovered over the waters in the beginning, and in John 1:1-3, it clearly states that Jesus (the Word) made everything.

Another angle to pursue is the various Scriptures that demonstrate that God's attributes are present in Jesus as well as the Holy Spirit. For example, the Father is eternal (Psalm 90:2), and so is the Son (John 1:2), and so is the Holy Spirit (Hebrews 9:14). Another shared attribute is their holiness. Only God is truly holy. The Father is holy (Revelation 15:4), so is the Son (Acts 3:14), and so is the Spirit (Acts 1:8).

An ancient diagram of the Trinity can be helpful in getting your hands around the doctrine, and can be found at the link in the SOURCE list.

The Trinitarian doctrine requires much more depth of discussion than can occur here. It is important to know that we only have to believe, not necessarily understand, the Trinitarian nature of God. It is a bedrock doctrine of the Christian church. Anything else is heresy.

2006-10-10 18:47:11 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

The article at the link below might help answer your question.

The general gist of it is that the Hebrew word used to describe God is best translated as "unity", or unified whole, not the numeral one. So the earliest prophet to imply that God is a trinity is Moses.

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...Deut 6:4, the main verse Jews use to teach the oneness of God uses the same Hebrew word for one that the above examples use to show "compound oneness." ...

...The Hebrew word for absolute unity is never applied to God.
Why have the Jews rejected the doctrine of the Trinity?

David Cooper writes,
Prior to the days of Moses Maimonides, the unity of God was expressed by a word, as has been proven beyond a doubt, has as its primary meaning that of a compound unity. Maimonides, who drafted the 13 articles of faith, in the second one set forth the unity of God using the a word for God that expresses
absolute solidarity and unity...Hence from the days of aimonides on, an interpretation different from the ancient one was placed upon this most important passage.

4. In the OT both singular and plural nouns, pronouns, adjectives, and verbs are used for God. Many scholars have tried to say that the use of plurals in the OT is simple the "plural of majesty." Which is the same argument that Muslims use to answer why Allah speaks of himself as "We" in the Quran.

Unfortunately this is a fundamental error. It is an attempt to take a modern monarchical idiosyncrasy and read it back into the ancient text. This was an unknown idea in OT times. Richard Davies pointed this out as long ago as 1891 (Doctrine of the Trinity p.227).

See:
Gen 3:22 God speaking about Himself.
Gen 11:7-9 where there are both plural pronouns and verbs used of God.
Isa 6:3 Where Isaiah is called as a spokes man for God and God addresses himself in the plural.

2006-10-10 20:36:46 · answer #3 · answered by Randy G 7 · 0 0

When God said to Jesus: Now this is my son whom I am well pleased. Jesus was there when God formed the earth but, was not sent to earth to save us until later. The trinity was probably formed when Jesus died and went to be at the right hand of God. God the Father, Jesus the son, The Holy Spirit.

2006-10-10 18:43:56 · answer #4 · answered by stickinthemud 3 · 0 0

No where in the bible is the trinity taught.

In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

(Romans 15:4-6) . . .” 4 For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope. 5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant YOU to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, 6 that with one accord YOU may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you have the mind of Christ? Do you glorify his God and Father, Jehovah?

The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: "Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity." And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]."

The Triune God, Jesuit Edmund Fortman admits: "The Old Testament . . . tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary implication of a Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. . . . There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a [Trinity] within the Godhead. . . . Even to see in [the "Old Testament"] suggestions or foreshadowings or 'veiled signs' of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers."—Italics ours

2006-10-10 18:50:51 · answer #5 · answered by TeeM 7 · 0 2

You'd do well to read this article:

http://www.wcg.org/lit/God/trinitybible.htm

2006-10-10 18:43:02 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

whats a tirnity?

2006-10-10 18:52:03 · answer #7 · answered by BoredomStrikes 3 · 1 2

it's a myth. it isn't going to matter either way!!

2006-10-10 18:43:21 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 3

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