Now that we're talking about abortion, I have a question for ya all?

Question

I hear the argument that abortion is better than a kid born to horrible parents. I was abused and neglected as a child. My step-dad was a monster. But with the help of Christ, I have grown into a fully functional adult with a wonderful family and too many blessing to count. SERIOUSLY you are saying I should have been killed as a fetus without that chance?

Yeah, you can be a smart*ss and tell me, yes, I'd be better off dead because you don't know me, you can't see me. Think about the people you care for. Chances are many of them came from variuos forms of disfunctional families. Would they really be better off to have never existed? What about killed on the delivery table?

Sorry to cuss, I could just imagine the nasty remarks people could write without caring or thinking about the asker

Don't worry about me! I'm good, God is good. I am just asking for those who are pro-abortion, if you think abortion is a better alternative than a person having to grow up in an abusive enviroment with the chance to make their life good?

Check out JIBBA JABBAS abortion question, with the answers that support this theory. -Sorry man, you were yelling in your question. There's a nice way to do it

Answer 1

Abortion is not the answer....

I have acquaintances that were concieved through rape, one who was aborted at 7 monthes and survived (she has cerabal palsy) she has a wonderful singing voice and she is a wonderful witness. Ask any of them if they are sorry they were born and they will tell you no. I had a terrible childhood, but I learned from it and was able to be a good parent to my own children.

Also I have acquaintances who had abortions as young girls and now they have families and they have depression and wonder about the baby they murdered. They have so much shame and guilt are fearful of telling their own children or that they will find out.

The abortion debate always gets ugly and there seems to be frustration on one side and hatred on the other.

I did proLife rallys for years and my observation was always the same. A few liberal women and lots of gay people slinging profanaties....

In reality if you drew a line down the center of the world and had the proLifers on one side and the proChoice on the other it would send the world off is axis.

I work in a hospital and I once witnessed a 17 year old girl having a saline abortion of a 7month old baby. She was in labor for many hours screaming and cussing and caring on.
When her baby was born he was so perfect except for the burned skin from the saline. She hardly gave him a glance.
It wasn't 15 minutes until I heard her on the phone telling someone "It was no big deal" Later that day just before she left she asked to see her baby... We told her she couldn't as an aborted baby is taken to pathology right after birth. She broke down and sobbed.... I imagine that she has been haunted her entire life.

I don't want to judge or sling mud, but please please use birth control. Only 1% of abortions are done for medical reasons. It has become the new form of birth control.....

Answer 2

I absolutely don't agree that abortion is the "best thing for the baby". That is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard. If that's true, the "logical" next step is to kill victims of child abuse, because their lives are miserable and they'd be better off dead.

From what I've seen, most abortions have less to do with a genuine concern about the possible quality of life for the infant than it does with the mother's desire to not go through with the pregnancy and child-rearing.

I have faith in the benefits of adoption. The argument that abortion is better than being born to unsuitable parents implies that the mother made that decision. If the mother can make the decision to kill a fetus for it's own good, wouldn't it stand to reason that that same mother, who apparently cares even a little bit about the quality of life of her unborn child, could find the child a mother and father who would love and care for them in ways she couldn't?

There is no shortage of couples wanting to adopt, and the biological mother is usually taken care of financially (with "expectant parents" paying for doctors, healthy food, maternity clothing, sometimes even rent and bills), and a lot of the time, she can even be a part of the child's life, at least in the way that she could be kept informed with photographs, letters, that kind of thing.

The argument that abortion would be the best thing for the baby is, almost entirely (I won't say completely, as it's possible it's occasionally the best thing) a way for people who abort their babies to sooth their conscience.

Answer 3

It's fantastic that you have managed to become a happy person despite all of this, but there are a few good reasons for abortion.
First, not everyone is as lucky as you are. Whilst I'm not trying to downplay what happened to you, you obviously managed to get through it and come out the other side. Some people don't manage to do that, they just get locked into a cycle. Statistically, if a mother was under 21 when her child is born, her child is 64% more likely to have a child before 21. That's from http://bstat.abs.com. The stats are similar for those who were abused - a huge amount of people abused go on to abuse.
Second, it's easy as a person fully grown and come out of it to say, "Aren't you glad I was born," but can you imagine how hard it would be for a parent to want to inflict pain on their own flesh and blood, emotional, psychological or physical? Nobody wants that for their children.
Also, what about children who have serious illnesses, such as Tasaks, CF or SB. Can you imagine a 16 year old mother trying to raise a child like that? She would most likely have trouble caring for herself, let alone a child who needs constant care.
Finally, knowing that you have come through OK may influence your own decisions, but should your own ideas really be above someone else's who genuinely believes they can't care for a child?

Answer 4

In some cases, yes, they are better off. As Sara pointed out earlier, have you ever seen a baby born with Aids? Or born addicted to Crack, NEVER to have normal brain function? I have seen Crack babies... I've seen them 10 yrs later, laying in a hospital bed drooling all over themselves. So, yes, in some cases, they would have been better off if the mother had just aborted them... especially since we can't dictate whether or not a person on Crack can or can not be allowed to have children.

This is not to say that I agree with abortion merely for birth control... or for most of the other reasons. But I have seen some babies that they would have been better off if they had never been born at all.

Now, as for the other extreme... let's say abortion becomes illegal. First off, that will in no way stop abortion and as past statistics have proven, the death rate will go up. Putting that aside... all those women who have had abortions, let's say they have the children, yet leave them for the State to take care of......... Where do you think we should put these children? Where I live, the orphanages and Foster Homes are already FULL. There is nowhere to put these kids... they end up on the street by the time they are 15, no schooling, no home... probably living in your backyard while you are asleep.

You are saying Save them all.... but Save them for what? Are you going to take some of these children in? I have seen this question asked many times of the people who are dead set against abortion... if any of them have taken in these homeless children we already have. And you know what? Not a single one of them answered yes... in fact, many of these people avoided those types of questions all together. So instead of getting angry at those who are Pro-Choice... get the Pro-Lifers act together... PROVE you want to save these children... don't just argue in their place.

Answer 5

What you're really asking is: At what point is it considered an abortion? Almost all of society is hypocritical in that they clearly have a problem with murder (as they should), yet they have none with killing small animals, such as hitting something while driving, or killing a spider or ant they see in their house or car. If they can kill these, why do they hesitate to kill an organism that has not yet been born? If there is hesitation at this point, where does it start? Might I point out that masturbating kills thousands of lives? FYI, I believe that when the child is born, the fetus becomes a baby, and as such an abortion is no longer a viable option.

Answer 6

Several of the standard bogus pro-abortion arguments are presented in posts above ...

(1) Argument: Better that a child not be born into a family where he/she is unwanted, and will be abused. Fact: Truly unwanted babies are most often put up for adoption, the arrangements having been made well before the birth. Most abused children were wanted at the time they were born.

(2) Argument: It's your body, you have a right to do what you want with it. Fact: the body growing in your uterus is NOT part of your body. It is the body of another person, vastly different from you genetically. He/she may be a different sex, have a different blood type, and any number of other differences. You do have a right to abuse your own body if you wish. You do not have a right to abuse/destroy someone else's body.

(3) Argument: Abortion is acceptable while the developing baby is not yet viable. Fact: A truly nonviable fetus will self-abort. We call this a miscarriage. A healthy fetus is completely viable, given normal care. He/she becomes "nonviable" only when deliberately placed into a deadly situation. A one-year oldchild is also nonviable without proper care. He/she would die within a few days without constant care and supervision.

(4) Argument: What about the rights of a woman who was raped? Fact: Pregnancies from rape are extremely rare for a number of reasons. Rapists seldom are capable of reaching climax and ejaculation. The rape victim does not produce the normal fluids that allow sperm to reach the ovum. And most rape victims seek medical attention and receive treatment to prevent conception. This issue is raised simply to emotionalize the issue, a standard ploy of the pro-abortion movement. Fewer than one tenth of one percent of abortions have anything to do with rape.

As for the occasional woman who does become pregnant as a result of rape, she certainly did have a right not to be raped. But responding to a non-lethal act of violence against one innocent person by committing a lethal act of violence against another innocent person is not ethical or moral. Why should an innocent human being be murdered for the sin/crime of his father? Also, abortion itself is a violent attack on the mother, which damages her permanently, sometimes physically, always emotionally. A woman who nourishes the life within her, even under the worst of circumstances, can spend the rest of her life in peace, knowing she did a noble thing. A woman who tries to take the easy way out finds that it is not so easy after all, as she is forced to live the rest of her life in the knowledge that she hired someone to kill her own son or daughter. Such women often find no source of consolation, and lose relationships, careers, and self dignity. More than a few end up committing suicide. One source of help for such women can be found at http://www.rachelsvineyard.com

(5) Argument: We need legislation to ensure that women whose lives are threatened by their pregnancy can obtain necessary medical care. Fact: There is NO-ONE who objects to a woman receiving truly necessary medical care to save her own life, even if the unborn child dies as a result of that treatment. Even the Catholic Church allows such treatment without question. Therefore there is obviously no real need for any such legislation. The real reason pro-abortion forces push for such legislation is that it provides a gigantic loophole whereby anyone who wants an abortion for any reason can get one. If a woman wants an abortion she just has to say the magic phrase, "I'm so upset by this pregnancy that I'm having suicidal thoughts". Bingo! Her life is now in danger from the pregnancy, so she can have an abortion.

Answer 7

you were lucky because not everyone's life works out. More abused children die or become abusers themselves than change their lives. It's kinda like there are a few alcoholics that change their lives around but the majority of them don't. I would have rather been aborted than born as my life hasn't been that great. I am a reject even by the people I used to go to church with. Too many people worry about a fetus and not the born person. They should concentrate on helping those of us who were born and leave the unborn alone.

Answer 8

Why would someone who doesn't know you say you should have been killed before your birth? I've never heard anyone say that.

That would be like me asking you:

Do you think a child who was molested as an infant, molested and abused as a baby, molested more by their kindergarten teacher then dies from neglect before the first grade would have been better off aborted?

If you think the pro-choicers are saying you should have been killed before you were born you are not as well adjusted as you think.

Answer 9

and what is kids are not that lucky? what if they are killed later on by their parents? what is they end up in jail? NOT EVERYONE CAN FIND HELP, yes, you were lucky maybe, but I still don't know how you can say that you're a fully functional adult if you used cuss words

you hate your step-dad (you call him a monster) and Jesus says to love everyone

think about your horrible childhood, would you want any other child to have childhood like that? I wouldn't, because sometimes death is much better than life

Answer 10

I would never argue that abortion is better than being born to horrible parents: I would argue that it is the woman's choice whether to have an abortion if the abortion is during the first trimester (when the fetus is non-viable), or in the event of a necessity to save the mother's life.

Your argument avoids the question of the rights of the woman. What of a 13 year old girl who is raped by a drug addicted man with Downes syndrome? Should she be forced to carry to term?