after all the blood that's been shed fighting against dictators and for the Constitutional rights, like free speech, free press, freedom to assemble, freedom to worship and the to right vote for a representative leadership why are Christians hoping and praying for a dictatorship? why support wars to enforce democracy in other parts of the world when you don't even desire it for yourself and your own country, preferring instead an all powerful king?
I used to be Christian but I can't remember why I thought I wanted to be ruled by a king, why I thought it was a good idea to no longer have the rights our forefathers gave their lives to create and defend.
2006-10-09 17:35:07 · 11 answers · asked by nebtet 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
for those confused by my query as to why Christians desire a monarchy simply read some of the replies. they await the return of a king... a Lord that all MUST worship and obey under penalty of eternal torture. I'm simply wondering why they desire such a circumstance as I can't quite remember why I thought it was a good idea that everyone be forced under coersive threats to worship a Lord.
2006-10-09 18:07:40 · update #1
The issue isn't that we want a monarchy per se, as we think of such a system of government in this world, but that our allegiance is to God and that we are made perfect and can stand in His presence if we trust and ask for Him to make us righteous and pure through Jesus' sacrifice. There's absolutely no comparison to any earthly kingdom or government, so please don't get hung up on this analogy, because when those who belong to Christ are with Him in His Kingdom, we will be just like Him and our joy and peace will be perfect. We will be in perfect fellowship with God, just as He intended in the first place. There's absolutely no comparison to any earthly system of government to which we can compare God's Kingdom.
You said you take issue with "a Lord that all MUST worship and obey under penalty of eternal torture. I'm simply wondering why they desire such a circumstance as I can't quite remember why I thought it was a good idea that everyone be forced under coersive threats to worship a Lord." First of all, the penalty of eternal torture is not a punishment for not obeying and worshipping God--rather, it is the only option left for those whose sin is unforgiven, who don't seek redemption from their sin against God according to the terms that God has set. God never intended to send anyone to hell--that was the punishment for Satan and his demons. But since God cannot allow unredeemed sinners in His presence, the only option for those who do not accept His terms of absolution is the only other place that would exist for eternity, namely the lake of fire. God never intended for people to reject Him, but He gave us free will so that we could freely and truly love Him. Love isn't love unless there is a choice--to love God or to not love God. He gave us the opportunity to truly love Him, and to receive His love. What other choice does He have for those who by their lack of love for Him choose to reject His terms for forgiveness and righteousness? God is not being an eternal sadist by sending us into eternal torment; we are sending ourselves there by rejecting Him, and since He has nowhere else to send us, we seal our own fate. But the flip side of the coin is the absolutely inexplicable forgiveness and fellowship that He offers us for no other reason except that He loves us. Going back to your analogy about a monarchy, there's absolutely no way we can comprehend why God would give us such an amazing gift of eternal life and the freedom to spend eternity with Him, so any comparisons to an earthly monarchy are very, very incomplete.
I don't know if what I've said helps any, but if you'd like to talk, feel free to drop me a line at chad@jesusfreak.com. Take care.
2006-10-09 21:44:35 · answer #1 · answered by Pastor Chad from JesusFreak.com 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Amazing you would forget it is not the physical but spiritual realm. All will have a ruler either of light or darkness. No matter whether you want to choose or not. If I am right and you are wrong you are in a fix. If you are right and I am wrong I have hurt no one. Being selfish, self centered, and egotistical is things that I can definitely live without. I have read many statements from atheists and these are the top qualities of each of them. Always the most important and best. In whose eyes, their own? No one even knows you exist unless you become famous for something. At least people know that Jesus existed.
2006-10-09 17:46:51 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
You are imagining a world ruled by a person. When Jesus Christ comes to rule and reign, the world will not be under the dominion of a human ruler, but by the one by, for and through whom all things were made. Therefore, the arguments against this type of rule, which may be logical when used against humans, cannot be used against God, who is perfect in all His ways.
And it won't be a monarchy, it will be a theocracy: ruled by God.
2006-10-09 17:42:24 · answer #3 · answered by Esther 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
What Christians do you know of that want a monarchy?
What published statements have you read? and more importantly where can it be found?
2006-10-09 17:46:00 · answer #4 · answered by Robert b 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
They worship the 'King of Kings'. Can't have a king without a monarchy.
2006-10-09 17:38:08 · answer #5 · answered by Nowhere Man 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
um, I'm an athiest but I'm a little confused. I was unaware that Christians wanted a monarchy, can you possibly explain that a little more or give me a bible passage that says they should want one?
2006-10-09 17:39:33 · answer #6 · answered by Psyche 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
nebtet,
I am anxious because Jesus is the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. The Lord of Hosts will return. You don't know anything about Him if you have to analogize dictatorships to compare it to.
So I'll just leave it at that.
2006-10-09 17:42:06 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Jesus lived in two kingdoms just as we do. He was a Jew and yet He pointed out that you simply give to God what belongs to Him and to the State what belongs to it.. Matt 22:17-21 17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" 18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20 and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" 21 "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." (from New International Version)
2016-03-18 07:13:07 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
They tire of seeing people of other religions in our country and want to impose their religion on everyone.
They think other religions don't have a place and are evil
2006-10-09 17:41:33 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
It is a theocracy that a few radical fundaMENTALists want. Sweeping generalizations do no one any good.
2006-10-09 17:44:36 · answer #10 · answered by Medusa 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋