Taking in considration that it was never mentioned or explained by Jesus nor his apostles and came to existance onlt in 4 century.
2006-10-09 16:02:27 · 26 answers · asked by Kimo 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Danny H: this verse appeared to be forgery .. it doesn't exist in old greek .. new version of bible doesn't contain it ..
2006-10-09 16:13:37 · update #1
LiLHuDNaL... : please read: Joh 13:16 .. do you think God can't speak on his authority?
2006-10-09 16:16:07 · update #2
No
2006-10-09 16:03:36 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
The HOLY TRINITY is defined as:
A term used since A.D. 200 to denote the central doctrine of the Christian religion. God, who is one and unique in his infinite substance or nature, is three really distinct persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The one and only God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yet God the Father is not God the Son, but generates the Son eternally, as the Son is eternally begotten. The Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son, but a distinct person having his divine nature from the Father and Son by eternal procession. The three divine persons are co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial and deserve co-equal glory and adoration.
We need to know how we are created in God's image to grasp the concept of the Holy Trinity and I think your question is a good one.
To understand this better, chart it out or use a diagram of two triangles of equal proportions like the Star of David. This allows an easier understanding of the relationship between the Essence and Existence of a thing. The following words should be distinguished in the following categories: Physical, Mental, and Spiritual. These three words encompass everything in the Universe and make up the CREATIVE PROCESS to help describe the Creator, creatures, and creation.
God is spirit. He cannot be seen. If you were to examine all the creatures, the CREATOR has made a pattern emerges: angels and demons are intellectual creatures without a body; plants and animals do not have an intellect but a body and mortal soul. IT IS ONLY LIVING, HUMAN, BEINGS, that have a MIND, BODY, and SOUL. Only human beings have all three. Now, living, human, being is the existence of man. Those words describe the essence of man's mind, body, and soul. The Body is living, the Mind makes us human and distinguishing us from animals, and our Soul makes us the being that we become (good or evil).
Now, even Muslims will agree Allah is omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing), and omnipresent (ever present). These words describe the existence of God. So, what is the essence of God? I will hold off answering this question till the end.
Now, if you think about the existence of a person they have a triple existence: physical (body), mental (mind), and spiritual (eternal soul). In fact, whenever we create something it has all three of these parts. When we cook we have a recipe (in our mind), we gather all the raw ingredients, and we cook (don't burn it, ha ha) what it is we are making. Cooking has the physical, mental, and spiritual parts. Same with engineering or technology it has three parts: the blueprints (to convey an idea), the raw materials (physical), and the workmanship (spiritual). If something goes wrong investigators will look for a design flaw, material flaw, or faulty workmanship. THIS DEMONSTRATES CREATION HAS THREE PARTS LIKE THE CREATOR.
Now, in the Bible it says Jesus is the visible likeness of the invisible God. (Colossians 1:15) The ESSENCE OF GOD IS: Father (mental), Son (physical), Holy Ghost (spiritual). ONE TRUE GOD IN THREE JUST LIKE A PERSON. THREE PARTS ONE PERSON. When you are sick you send for a doctor; when you are mentally troubled, a psychiatrist; when spiritually seeking you seek out a holy person.
2006-10-09 23:14:44 · answer #2 · answered by Search4truth 4 · 2⤊ 1⤋
they did not need to explain the trinity in Jesus time becasue He is part of the trinity (the Son) so He would never have needed to explain this. The Hebrew people are a very superstitious and spiritual people and so they always felt the presence of the Holy Spirit as something different and could recognise that this was the spirit of God. So in a sense they believed in a duality, as they always mentioned them seperately and at the appropriate times (for example the Holy Spirit would aid the people of Israel to victory because the Holy Spirit gave them confidence and strength, where as God would give them the rules and provide for them. They don't thank the Holy Spirit for providing manna while they were wandering the desert).
Christianity believes in the Trinity as we know that Jesus was God's own Son. The man whose example we try to live up to everyday. The sacrifice God gave for us was His Son, who we can only now come to the Father through Him.
We should definitely belive in the Trinity because the three are one and the same. We are not required to understand it fully though. But we have to accept that all three are seemingly responsible in different ways although the are only one. If we reduce the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit down enough to understand then we have disrespected the complexity of God. He is so much more than we could ever truly comprehend and this is what makes God exactly what He is.
Don't try to fully comprehend and understand Him just try to wholey believe in Him :)
2006-10-09 23:20:50 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
It clearly says in scripture that you should be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
This is a very clear doctrine and believed conclusively by all Christian denominations after almost 2000 years of study by many Catholic and Protestant Scholars. From Greek Orthodox to Methodist to 7th Day Adventist to Baptist. Thousands and thousands of Scholars who could not agree on many things find this an incontrovertible truth.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in [ Or into; see Acts 8:16; 19:5; Romans 6:3; 1 Cor. 1:13; 10:2 and Gal. 3:27.] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" Matthew 28:19
FYI ALL the major and minor true Christian Churches believe that it is a major Heresy to not believe in the Trinity. You are not a Christian if you do not accept the Trinity. Period.
Ask any Priest or Minister of a mainstream church from Assembly of God to Lutheran to Eastern Orthodox to Presbyterian to Vineyard Church to Pentecostal. ANYONE>
2006-10-09 23:05:04 · answer #4 · answered by Makemeaspark 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The Trinity doctrine is central to most of the biggest organized churches, but your correct in the fact that the bible doesn't preach it. The council at Nicea voted on it and afterwards, those who beleived God the father and Jesus were separate beings were called heretics and persecuted.The 3 in one concept goes back all the way to ancient Babylon and many religions worshipped that way. Just because i don't believe Jesus is God , doesn't mean i don't think he was important. He was the messiah and our Lord and savior, cause without the sacrifice he made to his father, we wouldn't have a chance at redemption. IN the Hebrew scriptures, priests sacriced animals to God for atonement. The Greek scriptures bring us Jesus who replaced that once and for all time and the whole book of Hebrews explains to the Jewish Christians that Jesus was the new high priest, and thus one who provides a way to Jehovah God for us.
2006-10-09 23:34:19 · answer #5 · answered by jaguarboy 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
The New testament is absolutely overflowing with references to God the Father and to the Holy Spirit. Jesus constantly referred to both these Persons. We know they are Persons, not just forces or symbols, because Jesus referred to both of them as "He", not as "it". And Jesus Himself demonstrated beyond any doubt that He Himself was and is God, by doing things only God could do, like raising the dead, calming the sea, walking on water, forgiving men's sins, and allowing Thomas to worship Him, saying "my Lord and my God". That's three the way I count - God the Son, God the Father, God the Holy Spirit. The Trinity isn't just something God wants us to believe. The Trinity IS God. If you don't believe in the Trinity, you don't believe in the God of Christianity, because that God IS the Most Holy Trinity.
2006-10-09 23:19:30 · answer #6 · answered by PaulCyp 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
There is no trinity, Jehovah is God Almighty, Jesus is His son the first born of all creation, God created Jesus, and the Holy spirit is God's active force that He uses to accomplish His will, it's God's power. When John wrote down his vision of heaven, he saw God on a throne, he saw Jesus on a throne but no mention of the Holy spirit, if they are three persons co-equal why didn't John see the Holy spirit on a throne. God has a name Yahweh,Jehovah, the son has a name,Jesus, why doesn't the Holy spirit have a name if it's a person?
2006-10-09 23:10:13 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
The Bible mentions "Father", "Son", and "Holy Spirit", but the trinity is no where mentioned in the Bible. I believe it was nothing more than a way to reconcile these three beings as one God and bring it in line with the monotheism prevelant in the Old Testament, especially the First Commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
2006-10-09 23:15:16 · answer #8 · answered by The Doctor 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
It was mentioned in the same century that Jesus lived. Allah doesnt want you to understand the Trinity. God does. That's how you can tell there's a difference between God and Allah.
2006-10-09 23:05:05 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
it is in the bible Jesus said: therefore when i leave you to go to my father i will send the comforter( the holy spirit) and he will dwell in you and i will be with you
(Matthew 1:21). Jesus said, "I am come in my Father's name," and, "The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,...the Father will send in my name" (John 5:43; 14:26). Thus by baptizing in the name of Jesus, we honor the Godhead. "For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9).
therefore go and batpize in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit
The God of the Bible is unique. He is tri-une, which is neither polytheistic nor is it tri-theistic. God is one in nature and is composed of three distinct eternal persons. They are one in substance with a difference in position. What makes all three the one God is that they share the same nature. This is the simple description of the God of the Bible. There is one choice from the Bibles revelation, if one denies the tri-une God, they are either left with atheism or polytheism.
2006-10-09 23:12:33 · answer #10 · answered by LiLHuDNaLL18 2 · 2⤊ 1⤋
in a nut shell can give more if serious
that is because there is NO trinity for even Jesus said
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
it is simple God is a spirit Christ was a body He doweled in, God robed Himself in flesh.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
the only separation is that the Christ (flesh) being sinless , had to die for our sin.
and by the way father, son, and Holy Ghost are not names they are titles. His Name is Jesus
2006-10-09 23:10:08 · answer #11 · answered by Noble Angel 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋