Theological quibble: Did the Trinity participate in the Crucifixion?

Question

Firstly...I'm not interesting if you think this is all rubbish, etc. etc. It's enuf I've felt the need to preface my question with this: just get ur kicks taking the piss out of smurfs or something.

My question is... if Jesus is/was/always will be a full, indivisible member of the Trine God, wouldn't that mean the Trinity also died? Or was Christ 'not-present' for three days? Is there any official answer protestants/catholics have? personal beliefs?

What are the implications of that though...God didn't exist (as God normally does, anyway) for three chronological days? Isn't God unchanging?

What are the implications of that though...God didn't exist (as God normally does, anyway) for three chronological days? Isn't God unchanging?

Answer 1

The Trinity certainly participated fully in the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Jesus, but it was only the human body of Jesus which died.

When a typical man dies, the soul and body are separated.

In Jesus' case, his body was separated from both his human soul and his divinity, or godly "essence".

Neither did the divine spirit of Jesus, or his human soul die, as both are eternal.

The Father and the Holy Spirit would likewise not have died, although they would have been able to fully experience the physical death of Jesus' mortal body, through him.

Answer 2

I like your question, it provokes thought.

First, understand that Jesus existed before he was born, never had a beginning. The INCARNATION is God becoming man, which is the role Jesus assumed as the Savior and redeemer.

Second, God is spirit. This gives the ability to be in multiple places at the same time. God can travel through time and space and as such makes it exceedingly difficult for us humans, in our finite abilities, to grasp the infinate abilities of God.

Third, Jesus had two natures: a human nature and a divine nature. Jesus Christ was human in every way. At the same time Jesus is the eternal God. Realizing this helps us to comprehend how God is veiled in human form.

Forth, every person who participated in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ acted out of their own free will.

Fifth, we can come to a better understanding of the HOLY TRINITY when we consider that we are created in God's image.

The HOLY TRINITY is defined as:
A term used since A.D. 200 to denote the central doctrine of the Christian religion. God, who is one and unique in his infinite substance or nature, is three really distinct persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The one and only God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yet God the Father is not God the Son, but generates the Son eternally, as the Son is eternally begotten. The Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son, but a distinct person having his divine nature from the Father and Son by eternal procession. The three divine persons are co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial and deserve co-equal glory and adoration.

We need to know how we are created in God's image to grasp the concept of the Holy Trinity and I think your question is a good one.

To understand this better, chart it out or use a diagram of two triangles of equal proportions like the Star of David. This allows an easier understanding of the relationship between the Essence and Existence of a thing. The following words should be distinguished in the following categories: Physical, Mental, and Spiritual. These three words encompass everything in the Universe and make up the CREATIVE PROCESS to help describe the Creator, creatures, and creation.

God is spirit. He cannot be seen. If you were to examine all the creatures, the CREATOR has made a pattern emerges: angels and demons are intellectual creatures without a body; plants and animals do not have an intellect but a body and mortal soul. IT IS ONLY LIVING, HUMAN, BEINGS, that have a MIND, BODY, and SOUL. Only human beings have all three. Now, living, human, being is the existence of man. Those words describe the essence of man's mind, body, and soul. The Body is living, the Mind makes us human and distinguishing us from animals, and our Soul makes us the being that we become (good or evil).

Now, even Muslims will agree Allah is omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing), and omnipresent (ever present). These words describe the existence of God. So, what is the essence of God? I will hold off answering this question till the end.

Now, if you think about the existence of a person they have a triple existence: physical (body), mental (mind), and spiritual (eternal soul). In fact, whenever we create something it has all three of these parts. When we cook we have a recipe (in our mind), we gather all the raw ingredients, and we cook (don't burn it, ha ha) what it is we are making. Cooking has the physical, mental, and spiritual parts. Same with engineering or technology it has three parts: the blueprints (to convey an idea), the raw materials (physical), and the workmanship (spiritual). If something goes wrong investigators will look for a design flaw, material flaw, or faulty workmanship. THIS DEMONSTRATES CREATION HAS THREE PARTS LIKE THE CREATOR.

Now, in the Bible it says Jesus is the visible likeness of the invisible God. (Colossians 1:15) The ESSENCE OF GOD IS: Father (mental), Son (physical), Holy Ghost (spiritual). ONE TRUE GOD IN THREE JUST LIKE A PERSON. THREE PARTS ONE PERSON. When you are sick you send for a doctor; when you are mentally troubled, a psychiatrist; when spiritually seeking you seek out a holy person.

Answer 3

I respect Jesus Christ as my King, Lord, and savior, but have never beleived in the trinity and this is one of the problems with it. If God is 3 parts in one, all equal, and immortal, then how is it that Jesus died, while God the Father was still in the heavens. I admit that there r a few verses that many use to prove the trinity , but at the same time there are countless verses where Jesus and the Bible writers differentiate between God and him. One example is at Mark 10; 18 where a person called him good Teacher. Jesus then said to him" Why do u call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God. Before his arrest, he prayed to his father. If he was God , why pray to himself? Why did he say at Luke 22; 42 " Father, if u wish , remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.

Answer 4

Try to think of the trinity this way. First it is suppose to be one entity. Now we have 3 distinct entities that are combined in the one. The Father - Creator/the Beginning. Jesus - the son/savior and the Holy Spirit - The risen Jesus/Son/right hand of the Father.
This is much like a split personality. There are three forms but contained within the original. Whichever one is needed appears the others sit a wait their turn.

Answer 5

Yes, the Triune God participated in the crucifixion and death of Jesus. Jesus was always the Second Person of the Trinity, in his suffering, dying and rising. So God died on the cross.

Answer 6

I believe the Tinity was present at the crucifixion. God is able to oversee His creation from anywhere.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Answer 7

Jesus took the form of a servant. He was true God and true man at the same time. His suffering and death was as a man and this is an important part because the sin of man required that a man pay for sin. So as man He suffered and died for His people but as God He did not die. God cannot die.

Answer 8

Well, when Christ died, He went to Hell for three days (the penalty for sin). The whole Trinity didn't die, just the person of Christ, who is God. God died, but not ALL of Him "died," if that makes any sense.

I'm afraid I'm not explaining this well.

Answer 9

If you want the answer get out the bible and read it or for that matter it is online