Former foreign secretary Jack Straw’s comment about the request of asking Muslim women to take the veil off seems to be heating up. Jack Straw wouldn’t budge but instead extended his request to not just the Muslim women within his own constituency who come to meet him but instead prefer to see Muslim across the country to take their veil off. This has the support of over 95% of British public. I reckon it would be a wonderful idea to ban Muslim from their traditional cloth & equally ban Sikh from wearing turban. Such a ban would bring them a step closer to being seen themselves as British first & THEN a member of whatsoever religion they worship.
If the person hiding her face behind a veil feels less comfortable or indeed less confident in disclosing her “face” to a stranger, then I wonder how she would be able to establish a smooth flow of conversation. It’s just beyond me.
Firstly, they choose to LIVE in Britain & hence it’s all THEIR responsibility to work towards integrating them within British society & NOT the vice versa. Integration is NOT an easy thing but for sure NOT impossible. Such a thing requires certain COMPROMISE, which can ONLY be attained at certain PRICE, which again requires having certain ADJUSTMENT on certain principle, the way of life, culture that they're so accustomed with. They LEFT their country to be a part of British society.
Surely, it's just NOT enough to have your BODY in Britain but heart & mind in Bangladesh?
You CANNOT be British when you wish to have:
>> free health care
>> free education
>> social security
>> claim to get taken care by & having support of British government, when caught-up in war-torn region
but DO NOT see yourself as British in other aspects of life, such as lack of ability to speak English or lack of respect for British way of life i.e. focusing more & finger-pointing about certain bad issues within the British society such as teenage pregnancy, binge-drinking, sexual promiscuity, etc.
Surely, there are fair share of things that could be perceived as rather positive about British society i.e. the “true” democracy, where people could have their say in whatsoever way they wish, people being allowed to live a life in whatsoever way they prefer, culture of respect, tolerance, manners & etiquette.
Seems like most of these Muslims fancy focusing ONLY at the negative aspects of our society. Is it a case of seeing glass as half EMPTY as opposed to the other way round?
People riding bike are expected to take their helmets off when entering Banks, Building Society, etc. or else it could raise suspicion. Similarly, recently Britain’s biggest shopping centre Bluewater forbidden people wearing hooded tops, as it could intimidate others.
Islam has NO such strict requirement of people HAVING to wearing veil covering their face but it’s a “personal choice” of women (as it’s often bragged about the same women saying their religion does not FORCE them to do so but they merely do so by their own personal choice) & if it’s personal choice, such a choice is rather rude when speaking to someone. It’s like someone speaking to me but having their eyes elsewhere without seeing me straight in my eyes. Surely, communication depends on visual as well as audio perception, I’d have thought. After all, if that wasn’t the case, there wouldn’t be a difference between customer dealing with call centre staff or having a personal face-to-face conversation with someone within their local branch.
Generally speaking, there are 2 ways of doing things. Sadly in case of Muslims, it’s ONLY one way i.e. THEIR way.
I’m terribly sorry to be highly critical about such an issues that’s often perceived as rather “sensitive” but such individuals raises my heckle for sure. For God sake, this is Britain NOT Beirut or Bangladesh.
I DO NOT need shoddy government forcing me to accustom myself & take pride in so-called “multi-culture” society. Thank you very much but if I fancy a change from my culture then I could have a taste of “multi” culture by spending £500 flying to:
>> India, to witness their culture of being “ill-manners, loud & curry-muncher”
>> Pakistan, to witness their culture of “women suppressing”
>> Bangladesh, to witness their culture of “inter & force marriages”
>> China, to witness their culture of “gagging” Joe Public
>> America, to witness their culture of “patriotism”
>> Jamaica, to witness their culture of “mugging & drugging”
>> France, to witness their culture of “rudeness & moustache”
>> Saudi Arabia, to witness their culture of “stoning women to death” in public
I don’t need multi-culture; I ONLY want one culture i.e. BRITISH culture, a culture of respect, tolerance, freedom, true democracy.
I’m NOT racist ……. just REALISTIC !!!
2006-10-08 03:00:29
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answered by j4mes_bond25 2
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I guess there's nothing wrong if it makes them happy to wear a veil. For example, in middle east, especially the day when the religion was born, the weather are so unpredictable. Daily temperature amplitude are varied tremendously. Thus, wearing veil will protect them from the harsh weather. They still do nowadays. And sometimes, this habit is hard to gone by. For e.g. The tribe women in central SEA, indo-chine, feel something is missing if they dont wears a extremely heavy metal ring on their neck, so they still wear it till today. However, if the women wears the hijabs, veils for the reasons just to avoid the sexual attraction of other males, it is not entirely true. I've been living in muslim country and non muslim country in my entire life. Expose to those moderate, and total believer. My observation is, in the 100% muslim country whereby using veils or hijab is almost culturaly a must have, the male in this country are very responsive to female skin, you almost feel being stare-at at the entire time. However, in the country whereby bikini is a the culture, they are not so responsive to the skin.
I guess, if you just want to argue, there are no right or wrong answer for the statement. Keeping happy and peace is important.
2006-10-06 18:01:43
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answered by Blue Sapphire 1
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Im not sure if you can go around telling people what they can or cant wear, but i do think Straw had a point to an extent in that i do want to see a persons face when i am talking to them.
Another thing i also dont understand is that muslim women wear veils and hijabs for cultural and religious reasons. They wear them to cover up and be as modest as possible, so that men do not lust after them. Yet why do so many muslim women wear their hijabs and cover their faces in tonnes of makeup? isnt that just the worst contradiction ever?
2006-10-06 13:05:06
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answered by MC 2
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It is interesting to me that in an informal poll by the Lancashire Evening Telegraph, In response to the question: Jack Straw has urged Muslim women to remove their veils. Do you agree? 75.6% voted YES
Jack Straw's comments, published in the Lancashire Evening Telegraph, sparked much controversy. Muslim women are required to cover themselves when they pray and most Muslim women cover their hair when they go in public. The decision to cover the face partially with a veil (niqab) or fully with a burka is a personal one and not a religious requirement.
What Jack Straw said was:
"The reason that you see people is so you can see them and communicate through what you see on their face as well as what you hear through your ears."
"I think, however, that the conversation would be of greater value if the lady took the covering from her face.
"Indeed, the value of a meeting, as opposed to a letter or phone call, is so that you can - almost literally - see what the other person means, and not just hear what they say."
He said that Muslim women who wear full veils make community relations "more difficult" and they should uncover their faces
He said he now makes sure he has a female member of staff with him at surgeries. "I can't recall a single occasion when the lady concerned had refused to lift her veil; and most I ask seem relieved to have done so."
I disagree with his basic premise that the reason why a meeting has more value than a letter or phone call is "seeing" a person's facial expression. The value of a meeting is that there is instant feedback which is delayed in written communication. It is similar to a phone call but a meeting allows for fewer distractions. Even in the corporate world sometimes meetings are conducted via conference calls.
There is some research regarding a person's facial expression and lying, such as the number of times a person blinks so maybe Jack Straw is looking for signs of sincerity? Since he is a public servant, it should be he, who is open and available to the public and not the public he serves.
Furthermore, a Muslim woman who removed her veil still would not make eye contact, according to Quranic injunctions. So the concept that communication would be facilitated is questionable.
If there really is a communication problem, perhaps having an interpreter available would be a better option.
I believe that a woman should have to remove the face veil for identification purposes such as a driving license, but that requiring a woman to remove the veil for a conversation is unnecessary. The official, by virtue of being a government official, when making a request would have more intimidation in requesting a woman to remove her veil than a teacher or other person with whom a Muslim woman might have a conversation. I believe that is why the Muslim women removed their veils because most have come from countries where the government is a brutal oppressive regieme and non-complaince with a request from a government official could mean serious consequences. I think that the same women would not remove the veil if the request were from a non-goverment official.
If the reason for removing the veil were one of identity, security or for a health examination, I would approve of the request. However, his reason was for sincerity and to make him feel more comfortable. What a person communicates through body language is subject to the interpretation of the listener and can possibly be misunderstood. A person's words should be all that is considered in this regard. He is the public servant and his job should be to make his constituents comfortable, not himself. I think that when a Muslim woman must remove her veil in front of a man that she would feel inhibited. It would affect her ability to communicate in a negative way.
So long as wearing a veil is legal, it should not have to be removed so long as the person is engaged in a legal activity. Wearing a veil or religious garb in universities and government buildings is prohibited in Turkey and the population there is 98% Muslim
2006-10-07 20:12:09
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answered by Anonymous
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It does actually,I am a british Muslim and I wear the Hijab,I would say it provides more freedom as I don't get men coming up to me in a disrepectable way,let face men are easy to please,why do you think you more female stip clubs?
Jack Straw didn't say take off the hijabs and veils,he said take off the face covering,which I actually agree with,as the face covering draws undue attention,the English asked a Spanish Queen before to that and she did as its not the British culture.
Britain is a multi cultural place to be and it allows people live how they choose.
2006-10-07 01:28:46
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answered by Laila 2
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Yes the men are insecure and no they will never trust women.
Those men are animals in Arabia. The veils is a protection from the lustful animals. It is also a protection for delicate energies like the aura and electromagnetic energies, much like a hat is worn for protection.
Some women like the veil.
It is also legal in Arabia for a husband to kill his wife!!
Until the women unite and stand up against their men, what can other countries do about their laws?? That is a good question.
So maybe you should mind your own business.
2006-10-06 12:06:17
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answered by Anonymous
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I am an educated western women and a mother of 3 daughters and as a feminist I would like to say how dare you or anybody else attempt to take a womens freedom of choose away from her just because some(sexiest) guy said he wants to see her.Why should I do what he wants as opposed to what I want?
By the way I am a woman who willfully and happily wears hijab(by my choice).
2006-10-09 08:06:29
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answered by Anonymous
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It's a subject to be careful of, your right in all aspects that teh veil is there to cover up the person, primarily actually to cover up the beatings they often have to endure from their husbands, and is at least racist to be worn. But you must remember that this brainwashing them into wearing these shrouds is something that has been occuring over time and to insist they remove them immediately could do more damage than good. The women that wear them need to be taught gradually that if their veil drops they won't be shot for it in our country, unlike in their homelands, and that they will be accepted for who they are and that if they have a partner that continues to beat them (which many of the males that beleive women should wear this rubbish do) that they will be protected by the law and that their husbands will be punished accordingly.
The only problem we have with this is that our law spends too much time appeasing these jack-asses and that vigilantes ARE NOW required to keep them in check. I wish I could classify myself as out-of-line for saying this but until our law realises that the protection of victim over criminals is paramount then we have to protect ourselves.
2006-10-06 12:00:12
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answered by Bealzebub 4
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Why do you worry so much about the way a Muslim woman dresses?? It is our choice to dress the way we want..what about other people who wear hats and such?? are they also going to take them off?? or better yet why don't we just have everyone in the world dress the same..... I'm sure then people would find something wrong with that... I'm happy with the fact i can choose to wear what i want to..if you don't like it--sorry for that.. but my choice to cover or not..ok..
2006-10-06 13:04:09
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answered by ? 5
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Jack Straw never asked Muslim women not to wear hijabs or veils.
A women in the west is protected by the government in dressing any way they wish.
Jack straw only said that he wanted to talk to to Muslim women face to face...it's his right..yes???
2006-10-06 12:00:01
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answered by Anonymous
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Why does it bother you so ? we are not asking you to wear hijjab !!
first it is said in the Holy Quran and in the Sunna!
It's not an insult, it's not a mistrust! It's just wearing decent clothes that's all what it is about !
Wearing hijjab do not keep you from having a public life, or a carreer or a life of your own !!
Actually it's the people how judge the hijjab without trying to understand that make it difficult for us!!!
If you have values and know how to make yourself respected by people then you'll be okey !! with or without hijjab!
women in US victim of domestic violence don't wear the hijjab, but are they respected ???
2006-10-06 11:55:34
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answered by Anonymous
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