In Border Fence's Path, Congressional Roadblocks?

Question

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501935.html?nav=rss_politics

Sobering article that mentions not only the flexibility in the current funding bill regarding how that money is spent but a letter attached to Friday's Congressional Record saying California, Texas etc should have say in what sort of security they want for the border. Letting sanctuary cities decide if they need border fencing is like asking an alchoholic to decide if he's had enough.

One phrase from the article seems to sum it up:

"In this case, it also reflects political calculations by GOP strategists that voters do not mind the details, and that key players -- including the administration, local leaders and the Mexican government -- oppose a fence-only approach, analysts said."

Are they right?

Do we 'not mind the details'?

Daisy, I agree. That is the whole reason the border is a federal issue to begin with.

Answer 1

I think the 'sanctuary city' issue is probably going to be a state-by-state battle, the majority of the legal citizens in those states is going to have to sit down and decide what they feel is right, this is their limelight moment to put their heads together and help set down good, solid, common-sense legislation on the issue.

I think Mexico's always kind of been a problem, but in recent years the problems with Mexico have kind of ballooned. No one's really paid attention to it until the last couple years, when people are suddenly realizing that our tax system's being systematically bled, that crimes like assault, property theft, ID theft, document forgery, drug trafficking, so forth and so on, have all been on the increase, and that the common thread/denominator is, unfortunately, Mexico.


Things went semi-harmoniously for years, and for a while there, it even seemed like Mexico was going to get its' collective act together. But, barring some fundamental changes, I'm not seeing it happen, instead it seems like finding new ways to live off of the United States has become a national cottage industry in Mexico.

It also bears remembering that not ALL illegal aliens are from Mexico, but a majority are. Mexico's got a lot of problems, and I think for years, we've genuinely tried to help in a lot of different ways. But, the Florence Nightingale approach just isn't working out, where Mexico's concerned. So, maybe a more focused, outcome-oriented approach is called for, one that'll slam the door in their faces if the B.S. goes unchecked.

If we want to live in a law-abiding, fairly peaceful society in the future, then law enforcement is called for, particularly on the US/Mexico border. Stopping small problems before they become big ones is what keeping the peace is all about, and it's up to the state legislatures to take a Good Hard Look at illegal immigration
and see if tolerating it really represents a defensible position.

What do the citizens want? I already have my opinion on the subject, but at the end of the day, it is majority rule. People gotta get out and vote, young and old alike. If you support the rule of law, then illegal immigration is a mistake. If you support mob rule, then illegal immigration is acceptable. But, there's a difference between a mob and a majority vote. Discerning and demonstrating same is the work of each individual state.

The House and Senate have passed the border fence bill to Bush, who did sign it. In english, that means it's time to build some fence. It's wrong for any one state to, through negligence,
essentially 'write' their own border policy whose effects will then be felt nationwide when they inevitably apply for help from the rest of the country. California's a prime example. I didn't vote for 'president' Schwarzenegger, nor do I feel that it's right to end up paying more taxes because the state he governs can't hold its'
water on taking an effective stand against illegal immigration.
I don't speak spanish, either, nor do I feel that I should be compelled to learn it simply because immigration's gone 'runaway'. I could probably learn spanish, but that's not the point: We either have immigration laws, and they need to be appropriately applied and enforced when need be, or we don't.
If we don't, then be prepared for YOUR state to go heavily in debt as we absorb Mexico's ambulatory population...

Mexico's got problems. That doesn't automatically make them america's problems, nor should US citizens end up in a bank-shot double-reverse whammy of a situation where we're effectively required to pay taxes to support as many children as they feel like having in our country. And, healthcare's just one issue: Don't forget that 'growth' will have to be at a breakneck pace, we'll be paying for new infrastructure, schools, MORE hospitals, all these things and much much more, and a great side effect will be the loss of livability in a lot of communities.

But, again, majority rules. If the majority in one or more states
doesn't take a hard line on immigration enforcement, the effects will be felt nationwide, eventually. Change is inevitable, and the whole world is growing, but it's kind of like the story with the bunnies: Bunnies like to do 2 things, eat, and make more bunnies. You start with 2 bunnies, then you get 10, then 38, then 75, then 100's, then 1000's and 1000's of bunnies. Cute little bunnies. Then, one day, all the food is gone...and so are the bunnies. Poor, poor bunnies....point of the story is, illegal immigration will push the country into some unmanageable growth. It's already happened in other countries, it's happened already in some areas of our country. Growth is all good and fine, as long as it's managed...no management=recipe for crisis...

I say, let's have ALL the details, right up on the table, in front of god and everybody....

Answer 2

This nation has a course to citizenship and at the side of the border dilemma, it has all turn out to be a "Catch 22". Problem is, this Congress and Obama, simply can not KISS ( preserve it useful dull ). They are placing vigour into HOW to forgive the unlawful immigrants, provide them advantages and assimilate them into an economic system, that can not find the money for MORE bills of tax greenbacks. When do men and women, everyone, eventually realize this nation's present monetary course, is UNSUSTAINABLE.....interval. Welfare rolls and Social Security Disability claims have risen by means of notable numbers. The Liberals "crucified" Romney for his off the cuff comment approximately the " forty seven% ". What do men and women suppose will occur while the Feds begin paying out fifty two% within the subsequent yr ? What taxpayers will SUPPORT this nation then ?

Answer 3

I think we DO mind the details. I also do NOT think the border towns should have any particular say over other towns and states over how the border will be secured - those borders guard the entire USA, not just those towns and, as such, they are owned by all the legal citizens of the USA.

Answer 4

we own it, we run it, we protect it. there for we should do what we feel is best. yes we have patrol but they cant watch all the miles out there and there is easy time for illegals to get in. there for a fance will then slow them down and get the patrol alittle extra time to get them, and if i get my way shoot on site

Answer 5

huh?