Jewish and Athiests and all-the prediciton of Messiah to be born of a Virgin-"God with us" was it a lie?

Question

Isaiah 7vs14 And a virgin shall concieve and bring forth a sign and, he will be God with us."

first its a sign-a miracle-who else would have God with us-but by a miracle-predicted 700bce perfect prediction=
some ignorant people that claim to have belief say that its not a miracle to have God born with us.

further they think it Isaiah lied and it wasnt a sign-a miracle it was a regular birth-and God was born imanuel (God with us in Hebrew0

some ever ignorantly say the young maiden virgin word -alma doesnt mean virgin and that bethulah does-yet a bethulah is a widow in the bible-"Lament like a bethulah/virgin (living as a virgin) for the husband of thy youth." (Joel 1vs8&9)

what do you do with the virgin birth-born a sign God with us-your eternity depends on it!!!!

Answer 1

Consider also

Isaiah 53

John 12:38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet: "Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" {Isaiah 53:1}

Matthew 8:17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases." {Isaiah 53:4}

1 Peter 2:24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. {Isaiah 53:5}

Acts 8:30-35 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. "Do you understand what you are reading?" Philip asked. "How can I," he said, "unless someone explains it to me?" So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. The eunuch was reading this passage of Scripture: "He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before the shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth. In his humiliation he was deprived of justice. Who can speak of his descendants? For his life was taken from the earth." The eunuch asked Philip, "Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?" Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus. {Isaiah 53:7,8}

Psalm 22 and Mark 15

There are hundreds of other prophecies from the Hebrew Bible that are filled by Jesus and his gospel, but these are on my heart at the moment. I am please to consider myself an adopted son of Abraham, but I am also a joint-heir with Jesus Christ. God bless us all.

Answer 2

First, the word used does not actually mean virgin, it means "maiden" or something similar. I think you referenced that here, albeit a little garbled. Nevertheless, the amount of scholarship backing that up trumps your unsupported statement.

Also, it is important to notice the tense used by the writer in this passage. In the original, he is saying that the maiden will give birth to a child, and the tense that he uses is the immediate future. The woman he was referring to was already pregnant, predicting that she would give birth is no supernatural feat.

Third, you need to pay attention to the context of the passage. The author was clearly not attempting to make a future prediction, but rather was using the names of children as a rhetorical device to make his point about the social and political conditions of the day. If you examine most of the books of the prophets, you'll find this to be the case pretty often.

Finally, this is yet another case of a purposefully fulfilled prophecy. The authors of the gospels, attempting to make the argument that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah, added some convenient stuff to the record to make it seem as though he fulfilled all of these prophecies. Calling him Immanuel was just such a device. Remember that historical accuracy wasn't valued at the time, rather allegorical literature was seen as the highest form of writing.

It helps if you delve deeper into these 'coincidences' than just what you can read in the Bible or what you've been taught. It's more interesting, too.

Answer 3

David,
You are a Christian. Stop this evil and deceptive form of missionizing. It degrades Christianity.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApnC4dngKeRuGKyqQldbLd_zy6IX?qid=20060723102937AA4N2eb
. It is, by definition, impossible for it to be "jewish" to believe in jesus. "Jewish" is, by defintion, what jews have historically and contemporarily believe. Since in neither scenario do we find "believing in jesus", then we must clearly realize that belief in jesus is not something "jewish". You can call it "biblical" (and still be wrong), but certainly not "jewish".
. On the side, the subject of Isaiah 53 is promised a "long life" and "seed" (i.e. physical children). Clearly this isn't about jesus.
. And Isaiah 7 is clearly not messianic if you read the whole chapter. and "alma" doesn't mean virgin either. You'd know that if you spoke hebrew (I guess it wasn't part of your "extensive jewish upbringing", huh?)
. On the side, Isaiah 9 can't be about jesus since, according to christianity, he's the "son" not the "father" (as the verse states). Nor did he have control of the government (to the contrary, the roman government killed him). And he certainly did not establish "endless peace".
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Sources:
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/Why_Jews_Dont_Believe_In_Jesus.asp
http://jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/general_messiah-criteria02.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_messiah#Textual_requirements
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oh, and lastly, I've decided that you truly epitomize everything I find intensely intellectually unsatisfying about christianity. (And you clearly do not understand hebrew.)

Answer 4

Isaiah 7:14 does not speak of a virgin. It does speak of a young woman however, who is either Isaiah's wife or one of the king's wives. (ie NOT A VIRGIN)

The author of Isaiah knew well the hebrew word for virgin as he used it at least five times in the Book of Isaiah. He deliberately chose a different word in v7:14. Now, why do you think that is? HMM

Answer 5

Your causation link is very weak at best. Considering that the records of Jesus didn't first have to appear until about 50 years after his death and 90% of his life unknown, it wouldn't be hard to believe certain attributes were given to him to justify his "son of god" position. There are numerous alternative messiahs who have been said to be born of virgins, martyr, and raise from the dead. It is entire possible that people read the passage, were questioned about his lineage, and they said "Oh yeah, Jesus was born from a virgin..."

If I said I was born from a virgin, would I be your Messiah? The prophecy would fulfill itself.

Answer 6

The commentators discuss the verse in Yoel, and you're saying that Almah always means virgin? Check the other places it shows up.

Answer 7

I don't know about the virgin part but God is with us all the time. We are all Gods. You are your own Messiah. If you learn to quiet your mind and let go, the answers will come.

Answer 8

"Virgin" in the time of Jesus meant "young girl". The "decision" that Mary was a "virgin" in the modern sense of the word was DECIDED by a conference 300 years after Jesus was crucified. YOUR eternity should be a little more educated. And just in case you forgot, JESUS WAS JEWISH... deal with it!

Answer 9

It's just a borrowed story from Egyptian folklore. I'm pretty sure things will work out for me in the end. I appreciate you trying to save my soul though. I know its done out of love.

P.S. I'm neither Jewish, Atheist, Muslim or Christian.

Answer 10

Amen!!! Great research, reference on this. I absolutely love intelligent presentation of Jesus Christ in truth.