It is often stated that because everything had to start somewhere and be created by something, that there must be a God. This argument is used all the time by creationist. I'm just wondering where God came from, who created him?
2006-10-05 09:48:17 · 14 answers · asked by trouthunter 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Creationists come in a wide variety. I believe that the universe was created by an "uncaused cause" that I choose to call God. Science teaches us that everything has a cause, and that the universe, as well as time and space, had a definite beginning and they even estimate the time when this beginning occurred.
The notion of an uncaused cause is inescapable using western logic. Big bang theorists and philosophers like Hawking and Heisenberg knew that there are things that we fundamentally cannot know.
The best language I can find for this is that God is the great "Uncaused Cause." This is the primary intelligence that got it all started. It is beyond our understanding and will always be so as long as we are limited to logic and science. If you use the term nature, or chance, etc. you do nothing to explain the paradox. The paradox is there and will remain until God expands our understanding of more dimensions than the 4 (or 11) that we live in. Logic and science have proven that they can be of no assistance on this issue. They don't know and, in fact, concede with logical proofs, that they cannot know.
2006-10-05 10:02:17 · answer #1 · answered by Nick â? 5 · 4⤊ 0⤋
IF an omniscient, omnipotent God exists, and it "created" this universe, it would have to have done it from "outside" that creation. Time is part of this universe. We can only experience time in a linear, progressive fashion, but the creator God beholds everything simultaneously, outside of time. As members of the universe, we can't conceive of existence outside of time. We see causality. God sees existence. As slaves of time, we require the universe to have a source, a beginning, a cause. For God, concepts such as "before", "began" and "caused" have no meaning. They are functions of time.
Without time, there is no "creating". Everything just is. We invent such terms because it is the only way we can make sense of things, but it's an adaptation, not really correct. God is everywhere and everywhen because that's God's point of view. "Travel" is a function of time, and not part of God's view.
So IF God exists, God does not have to have been created because time does not exist outside of the creation. And no, you can't ask WHEN God created the universe. It's a nonsense question, even if we can't understand why.
IF God does NOT exist, we don't know why or how the universe began. Cosmologists proclaim that time and space began with the Big Bang. They can theorize back to within a few microseconds of the beginning but anything beyond that is undefinable. Time can only be defined by change. If there is nothing to change, time is a meaningless concept. The state of things "before" the Big Bang is philosophically up for grabs. We don't know if we could ever perceive it, understand it or survive it, but our standard operating rules would not apply.
The only way to verify any of this is to get outside of the universe and look. Oh, yeah, that's a problem.
2006-10-05 10:26:02 · answer #2 · answered by skepsis 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The Qabbalah has an answer for this actually, and I'm refering to the Jewish version, not the new age bastardization of it (I have untold respect for my pagan companions on this planet, but if you're going to borrow something, borrow it as it is).
The Worshipped G-d is not, in fact, the first mover. Ayin is. Ayin is that nothingness which is so utterly nothing that to say, "It is nothing" is to make it no longer be Ayin because you have defined it. Ayin is defined by negating what it is not. "Is it a chair? No." "Is it god? No." "Is it empty? No." "Is it full? No." "Is it something? No." "Is it nothing? No." "Is it physical? No." "Is it spiritual? No." Do this until you have asked every possible question of 'Is it ...?' What is left would be Ayin.
The interesting thing about Ayin is that it is all potential (Is it all potential? No.) that is so complete (Is it complete? No) that it gives rise to that which is possible (Is it the first mover? No) -- including an infinite G-d. Despite its origins, G-d is infinite and everlasting.
What created G-d? Nothing.
This is the most profound statement of Qabbalah because it understands that G-d had an origin, and that its origin was nothing.
2006-10-05 09:55:53 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
God just IS. I know that's the simple answer, but it's true. Because of the prophetic nature of God's word, I can say with confidence that the Bible is true. Therefore, if I can say with confidence that the Bible is true, then I can take it at it's word. The Word says, "In the beginning, God....
You are thinking in human, earthy terms. God exists outside the time domain. Time does not apply to Him.
Think of it this way: You are on the curb watching a beautiful parade. You can only see what is in front of your range of sight. You cannot see what is around the corner, and you can no longer see what has passed you by. Think of God as the one with the birds-eye view. He is up in sky watching the entire parade. He knows the beginning from the end. Nothing is a surprise to Him.
2006-10-05 09:52:37 · answer #4 · answered by Juliart 6 · 3⤊ 1⤋
actually, you're partially right we invented the title 'god'
but actually there 's some logic in accepting something ou there and call it god...
science proved that mass is made out of energy (turn around E=mc²)... but mass itself is not yet life... science has also proved that only life can pass on life... so the original energy had to have life in it... and than, life had a personality... and just like parents pass on their personality to their kids, the original living energy had to have a personality also, otherwise he couldn't have passed it on to humans...
so we, humans called the living energy with a personality (and a brain lead everything into an organized result) God with an unexplainable start...
2006-10-05 10:01:50 · answer #5 · answered by danielencarla 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
thats a common question made by those who don't know god. He was present before time. He created time, earth, heaven, and us. He spoke everything into existance. Those who know him understand he is creator of ALL things.
2006-10-05 09:53:33 · answer #6 · answered by jackalope_00 2 · 3⤊ 1⤋
Man created God in order to provide answers for tough questions like "what is thunder"
2006-10-05 09:50:16 · answer #7 · answered by Blackacre 7 · 1⤊ 3⤋
i've always thought that the first thing that there ever could have been is movement. anyway you look at it, however far back you go to infinity, there had to have been movement for something to happen.
now you have to ask yourself what time is. its a structure. I think the evidence we have of Time has led us to a narrow conclusion of what it is...
For God to exist Time has to be manipulatable
the real answer however has to be that we'll never know
2006-10-05 09:53:44 · answer #8 · answered by Can I Be Your Pet? 6 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Probably a little child somewhere invented an imaginary friend. This child grew up to be a powerful tyrant and spread the ignorance throughout his land.
2006-10-05 09:51:14 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 3⤋
God is everything.....its humans that created religion
2006-10-05 09:50:32 · answer #10 · answered by Lisa 3 · 1⤊ 2⤋