Would you speak out?

Question

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

Please? We don't need all the hatred in the world. We don't need to repeat the atrocities of WWII. Please tell me which religion tells you to hate? Or if you have no religion, please explain to me the logical benefit to hating others who are not the same as you?

Mr. Mister:

"As tragic and horrible as war is, those ordering or involved in conflict with a moral justification can be assured that God is not against them."

What about when both sides have moral justification?

sadistdave

That is an interesting point. I, as a Muslim woman living in the US, disagree. 6 million spread over Germany, Austria, Poland, and France, and other places too, is not that much. They might have been powerful if they had all been together in one force, but scattered like that, they would be like the children throwing stones at tanks in Palestine, or like the Lebanese under the Israeli bombing attacks, shooting back with outdated, imprecise mortars from hideaways in the mountains. I disagree with you - it is in unity that we become strong.

sadistdave, I can see that this has potential to develop into an interesting conversation. Go here: http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-NHcpQqY8abULPuz_wZEQvQU-?cq=1 to continue. Others are welcome too, of course, but remember, blogs have no free speech. I will delete all comments that I find offensive - though I look forward to ones I can respectfully disagree with.

Mr. Mister : Huh? What are you talking about in your last edit? I said I would delete comments that are offensive, not that are contrary to my opinion. Can you not conceive of respectful disagreement?

And when did I condemn anybody?

Answer 1

very beautyfull thought I have no religion and truely i don't want to have one i;ve read about all mayor religions in search of one, but my desicion was to use what i learned from each religion instead oc choosing between them...........I noticed they all pretty much teach the same te only differense is the god or how many wives to have, most of the differences were things that shouldnt even be a mayor part of religion and those are the parts that people pay more attention to...........the one thing I leaned is that RELIGION IS SOMETHING WERE SUPPOSED TO USE TO BECOME BETTER PERSONS ....if we dont use it to get along with the rest of the world i guess it makes no difference if we belive in god or the devil, as for speaking out i've alway had that rebel side on me, I can't stay quiet in the presence of injustice unfortunitely most people not only stay quiet they preffer to make u look like the crazy one for speaking out ... I guess as long as they have money on their pocket it dosent matter who kills who as long as its not them the ones who die

Answer 2

Well nice speech. But that doesn't change the fact that the Bible predicted the Ne world order and the last war over Israel which is brewing right now. Forget about religion, it is just rules and regulation. Do not lstore your faith in man. Just believe in Jesus, and his word. He will take you from this world which is going to tear itself apart once the now armed Iran kicks off the next global war.

Answer 3

HATE IS VERY POWERFUL
ONLY LOVE IS STRONGER
THE WORLD IS IN A SPIRITUAL WARFARE
GOOD OVER EVIL
FROM THE FIRST MAN IT HAS BEEN SO.
PRETTY POEMS WILL NOT CHANGE THE HEART OF MAN.
GOD SAID THE HEART OF MAN IS EVIL.
ONLY A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THUR JESUS WILL CHANGE THE HEART OF MAN.
FOR ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.
WWII WAS STARTEDD BY A COUNTRY WHO HATED AMERICA.WE DID NOT START THE WAR.
THIS WAR WAS STARTED BY A PEOPLE WHO HATE AMERICA.
AMERICA DOES NOT STARTE WARS WE FINISH THEM

Answer 4

Shouldn't God have stood up for the Jews?
Shouldn't the Communists have spoken for themselves?
Shouldn't the Union Shop Stewards have lawyered up for the unions?
Shouldn't Pastor Neimoller have just accepted it as Gods Divine Will when they came to get him?

Not really a great speech when you consider the origin... Hate sucks, sure. Not too many peope would disagree with that. I sure don't! On the other hand, the author of this nice bit of fluff wrote it hoping that everyone would believe that people are helpless.

Lets see.... 6 MILLION Jews chose to trust in their invisible friend rather than to fight their oppression. They chose to be victims. Lets assume that only 1 million were men of fighting age. Do you have any idea how much a force that size armed only with sticks and stones would have affected the outcome of WWII?

If even 50% of that million had organized like the French Underground and mobilized with an intent to arm themselves and resist the Germans, the war would probably have been over in half the time.

The real tragedy in the holocaust is that to this day, people continue to believe that the Jews were unwilling victims. In truth, they chose to bow down to the will of Hitler because it was what they believed Moses invisible friend had commanded way back in the bronze age.

I know that sounds harsh. However, it is simply logistical probability and historical fact.

As long as people continue to believe that the millions imprisoned and killed in concentration camps were victims without the ability to fight back, no one will ever learn from the events of the holocaust.

-SD-

Whether you agree with me or not does not change the fact that 50,000 men, organized in small units can effectively reduce the ability of a much larger force to wage war.

Consider: 50,000 men across Europe engaging in subversion, sabotage, and delaying tactics against the German army. 50,000 men arming themselves with the weapons of their enemy, either stolen or captured. 50,000 men disrupting supply lines to key strategic points. These are the tactics of the French Underground.

If 50,000 Jews had organized and used these tactics, it would have become necessary for the Germans to expend a lot of effort to maintain the ability to wage war. That means lost manpower and supplies in actual war zones and an effective reduction of German soldiers in the field.

Those tactics were not invented by the French. They have been used throughout history by the Romans, the Greeks, the Mongols, etc. It is an effective and highly useful method of fighting against overwhelming odds, especially when the enemy is engaged in a war with someone else.

As a Muslim in America, there are two words that should have some meaning to you which have bearing on this concept.

Terrorist cell.

This is the exact kind of war Muslims have been waging against America for over 20 years. In that time, the militant arm of Islam has failed to show itself in open combat against The U.S., while engaging in the exact same tactics employed by the French Underground. In that time, they have kept the American Armed Forces fighting ghosts while they gain power. Strategicly, they are simply waging their war on America in the only way that is effective for them. As long as mainstream Islam remains at peace and refuses to support them outright, these are the tactics they MUST use.

Terrorism and freedom fighting are often simply a matter of perspective.

Food for thought...

-SD-

Answer 5

Unfortunatly God made a huge booboo when he created us. People are just evil by nature. Everyone judges everybody else.
And anytime i ask someone why they just say its the way it has to be , its God's will and alll this has to happen before we can be saved for some reason. Who really knows they are all just guessing really u'll only truly know when your dead why God tortures ppl daily and yes it is God not humans torturin ppl. With this false claim of "free will". People are always talkin about ppl having free will but if you bothered to read that bible you have just for show then you'd know free will is never metioned in the bible only god's will and everything that happens is god's will. What does this all me Idont claim to know. i just want it all to be over with real so and pray real hard there is no such thing as reincarnation...............

Answer 6

I am a pagan who follows the beliefs of Mithraism. I do not hate any other religion, what I dislike about them is that the Christians trying to enforce their beliefs, the Muslims killing others fro their beliefs and both for their hatred of the Jews, which is silly because Jesus was a Jew and Islam started out with Jewish roots. And all three took beliefs from Zoroastrianism.

Answer 7

Yep. Sounds like the "Today's pacifist Christian" to me.

sad huh?


Hate? You think your Pastor was promoting hate?

.Jesus Christ was anything but a Pacifist. He was the mightiest warrior that ever lived.

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Answer 8

I am a Christian and do not hate but I will voice my opinion when asked and defend my faith. There are somethings in this world worth fighting for and my faith is one of them. I will not back down. I will not give it up. I will declare Jesus is My Lord with my last dying breath!

Answer 9

well everyone hates. some people can control it and others can not. sad too say. all we can do is pray and try not too hate. we can not help getting into world war 3. us the people just want too live in peace and freedom. but we just need too live our lifes too the fullest go to church and live a good christan life belinging that god will save us all. my religon is orthodox. www.oca.com

Answer 10

am a muslim and i dont hate anyone at all