just allow God to make things right for you...dont put it in your own hands ... typical?

Question

A user was asking about doing wrong in order to make things right, and whether she should or not. This person answered with the above statement: "just allow God to make things right for you...dont put it in your own hands."

I am curious, is this the typical religious mentality? Do you promote not thinking for ones self that much? A litteral translation of what this person said is: Do not think for yourself and make your own decisions because you are incapable, whereas god can make everything ok.

Talk about promoting self hate.

Why do you people act this way? Is it so horrible to actually be accountable for your own actions? Is it right that you have this giant loophole where you can just ask for your gods forgiveness and all is forgiven? Don't you think that is a bit cheap? An easy way out of everything?

I'm sorry for not agreeing with you, but I don't think it's right to teach people not to think for themselves. It's not just this user, I have seen many people say this.

Let the flaming begin, I'm ready for you this time :)

Do the right thing, praise jesus... don't think for yourself.

1 valid answer out of 3 so far, yet showing the exact same mentality I discussed above. Shame, guess I'll have to wait longer for a reasonable answer.

CJunk, I have read some of your other statements (Questions?) and even answered a few of them to the best of my knowledge.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that teaching children that they are sinners (When they most definately are not), and teaching them that they could go to hell is more than psychological abuse, it is torture, yet no one of faith see's it that way. They are blind to any facts that are shown to them that do not adhere to their religion.

Personally, that is one of the reasons I asked this question in the first place, to see if there was even one of them out there who was not so blinded by their faith that they could the danger they are promoting by teaching people not to think for themselves and to leave things in gods hands.

The catholic practice of repentance and forgiveness is still just what I said. You can be evil, do evil things, hurt people, even murder people, and in the end if you repent and are sorry for what you did, you will be forgiven. Don't think about the people you may have hurt in the meantime, because you are forgiven and god loves you. I'm sorry, that just doesn't seem to fly with me.

It's like all these people who go to prison and "Find God"... don't you think that is just an excuse to get out on parole? Well, whats to say the people who truely believe in god aren't just asking for forgiveness so they can hear those precious words, you are forgiven?

As for the whole confessional thing, I don't think it's real. If there was a god, why would you have to go ask a man for forgiveness? Why should you have to tell some priest, who probably sins more than you do, what you've done? Shouldn't that be between you and God? Shouldn't you be asking him, and not going through a middleman?

Answer 1

Ive been saying this type of things for a while (what you said). Christians Doctorines ACTUALLY are teaching psychologicly damaging doctrines, teachings which are literally detramental to ones health and overall life, teachings which are even designed to invoke negative responses. These teachings are just made to look nice. but only teach monsterous ideas. Its not a small matter in my opinion.

Good question
EDIT:
Just letting you know I read your added detail to me so you dont think you waisted your time writing it. :)
thanks

Answer 2

I'm not an overtly religous person. I've got my own ideas about God and he doesn't seem to mind. That said, I was raised in a religous household and we were taught that God helps those who help themselves.

A belief in a divine afterlife is the ultimate form of accountability. The Biggest of Big Brothers is watching you and weighing your eventual afterlife in the balance.

You don't understand the Catholic Church's practices of confession and penance in return for forgiveness. In order to confess you must accept that your actions were wrong and in order to receive forgiveness you must be repentant. If these conditions are not actual and wholehearted than the foregiveness will not extend to you.

Personally, I don't agree with the Catholics but they seem to think they have the right of it.

Answer 3

I think theres 2 "ways" of understanding this generally similar principle.

a low way and a high way.

the low way, is as you say, not neccesarily self-hate, but a certain degree of self depriciation, but more yeilding everything to God,

the "high" way, is much more abstract in a way. its not self hate or being unaccountable, but more... learning to go with the flow, to work with the greater scheme, ect.

the former, is IMO more or less as you say. but the latter takes a much more difficult, and precarious balance between your own will and the divine will, and ... ok,

the story about a flood, guy is waiting on top of his house to be saved and all, a couple boats, and a helicopter all come by offering to pick him up, but he turns them down saying god'll come and save him.

the "high" way, is basically not just being smarter then turning down help, but listening to the hints God gives you as to which one to take, and what step to take. not looking to others or a book for the answers, but a direct, interactive thing.

listening to guidance, but not neccesarily mindlessly...

if you can balance thinking for yourself, and listening to guidance... well there ya go.

I think the whole "teaching them they are sinners" thing is a conceptually not entirely bad idea, but its most common use is indeed a horrible thing.
that is, that the "we're inherently evil and bad and a nasty sinner" thing is bad.

but teaching a kid to recognize that they are imperfect, make mistakes, and that its ok to know their limitations, is a good thing. not that they can't do their best to be as perfect as possible... but that nobody is flawless.

Answer 4

"just allow God to make things right for you...dont put it in your own hands ... "
o f coarse this is wrong. God will only help those who help themselves.
first we have to give the best we can. after that we leave it to god. what ever the outcome is, there will a reason for it.

Answer 5

Sarcasm... the last refuge of the dimwitted.... Religions are simply indefensible, but they have their apologists anyway. I like to call them "Defenders of the Lie". Faith is something you have in people who you know to be diligent, or have a reputation for integrity, not something which makes you blindly take uncertain things for granted.

Answer 6

No, you've got it right.
Many believers do the "blind faith" (aka stop thinking) mentality. It results in some of the most ridiculous statements from the fundementalists.

Answer 7

Just because you think for your self does NOT mean you make the right discussions. I have seen some of the discussions some people make and they may be better off leaving that process to someone else ... LOL

Answer 8

Thanks for the 2 points... and oh, Praise Jesus.

To questioner:
Actually, buddy, I do think for myself. I was just mocking your absurdity...Learn to notice when someone is being sarcastic, it may help you get along better in life.

But, like most twits of your ilk, you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear...typical.

Answer 9

Do the right thing

Answer 10

Kinda demented and sad, isn't it...?

-SD-